The Everyday Trainer Podcast

Exposing Dog Training Facilities: Red Flags and Realities

June 23, 2023 Meghan Dougherty Season 2 Episode 19
The Everyday Trainer Podcast
Exposing Dog Training Facilities: Red Flags and Realities
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Are you sending your dog to a trustworthy training facility, or just falling for flashy appearances on social media? Join us, Meg, Marcela, and our guest as we uncover the not-so-pretty side of some dog training facilities.

In this eye-opening discussion, we highlight the red flags to look out for when selecting a dog trainer or behavioral mod specialist. Hear an owner's story of how she was taken advantage of when seeking a protection dog, as well as tips on how to avoid being misled by online content. We also delve into problems with large dog training facilities, such as the lack of proper care and attention for dogs, and the impact of social media on the industry.

Finally, we emphasize the importance of patience and commitment when training your dog.  There's so much value in being present for your dog's training, not just for peace of mind but for the value it can bring to your relationship. Learn from our experiences and find the perfect trainer who genuinely cares about your dog's wellbeing, rather than just relying on flashy videos or shortcuts. 

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Speaker 1:

Hello and welcome back to the Everyday Trainer podcast. My name is Meg and I am a dog trainer. On today's episode, we're talking all about dog training facilities and the red flags that you should look out for before going to one of these places. I'm joined by the lovely Marcella Hello, and our new friend Yules Hi. So, Yules is bringing her personal experience from yeah, all the stories that she has from sending her dogs to facilities. Marcella also has experience working at facilities and then I'll kind of share my take on the facilities that I have seen. So you know the drill Have yourself a tasty drink and meet us back here. Hey guys, hello, hi, thanks for being here, thank you for having me. We're popping your cherry, yeah.

Speaker 3:

The first thing we start with is pop Your podcast, cherry.

Speaker 2:

Yep.

Speaker 1:

It's fun. It's fun being in headphone land, isn't it? Yeah, hearing your own voice. Okay. So, first things first, marcella and I are drinking tea, herbal tea, because it's pretty late I mean, what time is it, like 1030 or something. So Yules came over. Yules is one of our new friends. We met her doing bite work. You got yourself a Doberman that you're working on building up into a protection dog, yeah. So you have a lot of experience with training that dog, with different facilities, different people, and so we brought you here to kind of share that experience that you had to hopefully prevent other people from having, you know, the same negative experience that can go with sending your dog away to a dog training facility.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, if I could just share some of my stuff and prevent one, at least one person. You know that's a fulfilled mission. So I had a stray show up at my doorstep One day. Goes by, two, three, she's still there. So I'm like, all right, you know, let's do this thing. I'm gonna go to the vet just to get her checked out, get her tested, get her her shots in. Then I brought her in. But then a week or so in I found out that you know she's stray. There's some underlying issues. I'm like I have no problem keeping you, but I need a little bit of professional help. So I found a facility south Florida and you're just a regular person.

Speaker 3:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

You're not a dog trainer, no.

Speaker 2:

And I don't have any other dogs. So you know I'm a beyond regular person. I'm like I have no problem maintaining you and keeping you. but you got to help me, girl. Like, get your stuff together, that way I can help you. And I find this facility. So I go in one of those board and trains because you know I'm thinking great boot camp, get it, girl. Like I don't want to deal with it, i just want to be able to pay and just have a finished product. Tell me how to use it and then I'll just move on with my life.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, And that's what a lot of people think of when they think of board and trains. You know, like I don't really feel that way And I've talked a lot about board and trains, especially on previous podcasts, where I'm like it's, that's, that's like what owners are led to believe, right Is that you can just send your dog away and then you come back with like a finished product and that's it And you don't have to do anything. You know, and like you know, that that's not the case now.

Speaker 2:

I know it now, but they also. That's how they advertise it.

Speaker 1:

Right, you know right, it's not your fault, yeah.

Speaker 2:

So you know, I'm just like great, do it, and then I'll come in, i'll float in, you do the turnover and then you have a different dog, So she goes in. I do one month of just regular obedience and then the second month is supposed to be off leash E-collar trading, which I laugh at it, so you were sending this stray.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that showed up at your house. It's my new baby. Okay, we're beyond the straight point, sorry sorry, it's my new nugget. All right To a two month board and train, yes, which is like intense Cause.

Speaker 2:

That's the spiel that they did on you.

Speaker 1:

You know you you can only do so much.

Speaker 2:

You know we're going to have to rewire her, so you have two weeks for adjustment period. You know they might not want to work, it's new environment, it's stressful on them. So I'm like I mean, i, i could see it makes sense. I don't really know if that makes sense, but I kind of buy it. I'm like, all right, you're a professional, like I'm expecting a professional service. Right, i'm expecting a certain level, great. So I'm like let's just do the whole thing. So I go in there, drop her off. First red flag is next to none updates. I get very minimal updates.

Speaker 1:

How did you, how did you decide on that facility, like when you were looking at dog trainers to send your dog to like, how did you decide to choose that one?

Speaker 2:

It's like unfortunate, but it was. Uh, I was looking for like some content, but I didn't know the quality of content. Like I didn't understand the content. So just because somebody posts stuff all the time, that doesn't mean that it's actually quality, right. So unfortunately, I fell in that trap of just people posting stuff. But in reality, what happened with me is they weren't actually working my dog, So they would just pull that dog out 10 seconds snap. It was just social media stuff Instagram, oh my gosh, yep And um. You know they were saying that it would be such a strain. You got a stray and, uh, you know I was fine with it, but they put all this baloney on you. So I came in. I was supposed to have a mini turnover, which would be the halfway point. So I come in and my dog is skinny. She's 50 pounds, like that's her normal weight. So she was. I don't know, i didn't weigh her, but like all her ribs were showing, she was gray. My dog is black. She was gray and she was. I didn't realize it at first, just because I was so stunned of how she looked physically, but she was almost like, really timid. I mean, it's like, you know, someone coming out of cell camp, yeah, but I didn't catch any of this because there's so many layers of shock and you know you're paying a certain amount, you're just doing the whole thing And I had no idea what standard was, because I thought when you send them in, it's like cool, i expect these people to be a um, actually like professionals, and just because you don't update me on my dogs, every movement I'm expecting. The reason why you don't update them is because you're actually working them and you're actually doing something with them. But you know, it was just the opposite. So I come back in this dog that I have no idea who that is, which is my dog, is coming at me and I'm like, who is this? She's skinny, she's skittish, she's terrified, she's happy to see daylight. And I get to that turnover and they're like, you know, we just we did our best but we had a difficult time transitioning her. You know, we don't know where she comes from and they did the whole thing on me. And the reason why she was skinny is they were saying that they were making her dependent on the handler, meaning like food, air, water comes from your handler, versus like cause. She's a hunting dog, so she can go nuka scroll and, you know, be good, nuka chipmunk, she handle her own stuff, you know. So they were like Hey we're rewiring her And I'm like all right, like as long as she stays with me, i can kind of make that make sense. It's almost like I made it make sense.

Speaker 1:

It's so time. It's like you don't know while you're in it, but I believe you yeah it's like make it make sense.

Speaker 2:

That's my epitome of freaking facilities Make it make sense. So then they do the whole thing on me. So that was a month in.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you did a mini turnover of nothing.

Speaker 2:

She couldn't heal, She couldn't sit. Well, obviously she could sit, but like not a, not what you would expect the month in right Right Down, like she was, she was basically crawling on me and being like help, you know. So I'm like what's happening? And they're like you were just rewiring is just difficult. We're just going through this And I'm like, okay, you know, you're the professionals, I already paid you guys. So I leave her in and I said I want more updates, I want this and that. So then we continue with updates And in the middle of that, my foolish me, I ended up buying one of the cloud protection dogs.

Speaker 1:

They're like Tom Tom, tom Tom explain it. Cloud protection dog.

Speaker 2:

Cloud protection dog, which is what I have right now is a dog. That's not a protection dog, but we'll do amazing Instagram videos And that is what that facility specializes in. What I've came to find out, I was foolish and I was like, Oh my gosh, Let's just work through this. If they're rewiring her, great, Let me get a protection dog. I will extend my pet dog into another month. It was supposed to be one month And then I had the turnover of my protection dog. They were supposed to integrate again just at the end, right? So I was like great, One facility. They seem to be like helping my dog and doing all this stuff. I just skimmed right through the red flags And I bought a protection dog. Now I buy the protection dog and I have two dogs in there that I'm basically sponsoring because they're not doing anything. So I have my two dogs in doggy jail, Just you know no updates, nothing, doggy jail real, you know. So once I got the second one I was like all right, this is red flag, i'm starting to float in. So every weekend or every other weekend I would float in and I would bond with, i would switch on and off. So usually I would do like on the weekends they don't do anything, like there was one day where they would fast them the whole day and they would say that that's reset and good for their drive and all sorts of stuff. So I was like okay, you know, if that builds drive, if you're a professional, i'm going to believe it. You know, it kind of makes sense. But they were actually using all of their tools to become like a dictatorship over these dogs. So once I started floating in I was like this doesn't make sense And I started to not see actual progression with the dogs And do you know how many dogs they had at that facility at a time? like 15, 15 to 18, and they were protection dogs and regular pets, but I have a screenshot of the whole board and all the names, so about 15 or so.

Speaker 1:

That's not too many for a facility.

Speaker 2:

Not when you have two trainers and the owner Like that's a lot, and then you have protection dogs that need to be worked Yeah, you know, okay, it's a lot And then you have the owner just being on Instagram the whole time so I have such an issue with the online dog training world. Well, that's what it is. That's what you need to look for, Like online training. Like as soon as you hit their website or their Instagram, if you have a sign of an exotic car like even if you have the tire, It's the Lambo. The Lambo is the red flag.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, even if you have a tire.

Speaker 2:

A tire like a front bumper clip, like the little bit of carbon fiber, run, run, oh God. And if there's like a private jet in the bag, just submit them, like you already know what they're doing.

Speaker 1:

Just submit them, you know, have the county check them out, just you know, wait, so there was only two other trainers, so this isn't like a huge facility.

Speaker 2:

They make it out to be Interesting. It's a huge facility, like as in the space.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but it's not. But there's not that many people in it. No, because the turnover, like the whole system, is just trash. So nobody's gonna stick around, because there's actually genuine people that wanna do things with dogs. But if you're gonna have a certain setup, you know.

Speaker 3:

They just get sucked into it.

Speaker 1:

What was like this setup that you saw there? It was a linear doggy jail.

Speaker 2:

And then you got That's very PG, that's very graceful. But then you got kennel, one of those, or a bunch of those tractor supply like the 449, kennel kennel, kennel, kennel, kennel kennel just like yeah just rapid fire kennels And they're all together. And the thing, the way they constructed it, it echoes. So you got dogs that you buy on Craigslist for 500 bucks And then you got imports, for whatever they go, for almost six figures. They're just all in there together and just barking. The whole thing just echoes and it's just a mess.

Speaker 3:

It's like a pound.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's basically like a elevated pound, like with a name, with a LLC in there. Found LLC.

Speaker 1:

Oh, no, okay. so what are some of the like red flags that you initially missed with them? Like, let's get specific on, like when somebody is going to choose a dog trainer, or in your case it was behavioral mod, so there aren't. I don't want to say there's not like a lot of trainers that do behavioral mod, but like, what were the specifics that you know now to look out for as far as looking for a dog trainer goes?

Speaker 2:

It's updates. That's like the easiest thing. Okay, but what about before?

Speaker 1:

You know, before I got into it, like before you sent your dog to them, Oh, red flags. Yeah, like looking back, what are some red flags that you're like I probably should have like?

Speaker 2:

or was the cloud? everything was like peachy keen. besides the like Instagram stuff, it's like when they paint this whole picture and they just do. it's like video of just video after video of just them either doing a bite or doing obedience, or doing whatever. It's lack of like explanation and more just cloud, just to grab the attention. That's what it is Just like flashy videos. Yeah it's all flashy And it's all around high luxury things, whether it's a house, a car, a plane, and they a lot of those do like staged videos. So they'll do like they'll hire a photographer and they'll just rent a mansion or do whatever, and they'll just get different clips And then they use those different clips throughout. You know their whole Instagram game.

Speaker 3:

I've seen. I've seen some companies do that It's like all over, i know. It's just like one company all over, tiktok, that's all they do, like this family having nice picnic and then you see the bad guy like come up behind them and they just send the dog on the decoy. You know, like it's just a whole thing is just set up. They make it seem like this is like this awesome protection dog with, like you have a suit on. You know So, like the dog knows, you know like this is they know what's happening, you know So the dog will act on it. But put it in like an actual scenario They coming out like a marshmallow. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2:

Like it knows what it's gonna do.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, like, but you don't see someone just like randomly walking down the street and like you, they don't know. the decoy is there and just coming out at you And regular clothes, because they have those sleeves that are under Like a head sleeve.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you don't see that at all Yeah, So the difference between like a protection dog and a sport dog is a protection dog needs to be able to do like a live bite. They need to be able to bite somebody who is not like wearing gear, essentially Not having a sleeve on, not wearing a suit And just kind of from what we were talking about earlier. There aren't that many real protection dogs. A lot of these dog trainers and facilities are selling overpriced.

Speaker 3:

Overpriced rescue dogs a lot of the time.

Speaker 1:

Overpriced like working dogs that maybe they have you know, a bark. Maybe they can bark on command and like look scary, but very few protection dogs that are sold as protection dogs could probably actually do a live bite.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, And like even with Nitro, like I consider Nitro like my protection dog, but he's like he is so sporty, you know like he is such a sporty dog But like out in, like in public, that dog will, he will bite you Like a hundred percent, that dog will bite you. If that was the situation, especially like with my car, Like I've had multiple instances where I've had to use him with my car and like I'm just chilling at the gas station and like I'm there in my front seat with the door open, like on my phone, like just filling up my gas and I have my back window down, Like I've had people try to come up to me and I keep telling them like no, back away. Like I do have a dog in the car and I've just had to have him alert. You know same thing And I've done it in uptown Charlotte as well, Like someone who was just like coming towards me and I said give me some space, They don't listening. I had my dog alert, but that dog will bite you. But if you have like equipment in front of him, right, Like he's going to be more fixated on the equipment. That's just how, that's just like. It's like people want like and then you see, like protection dogs, Like people will say they want a civil dog. Until you really understand what that is yeah, until you really understand what that is and the amount of effing liability that comes with it and the amount of training and everything Like it is such a liability. And then they see nature, like well, I want that, Like. So, you want like a sporty dog, Like that's what you want. That is going to bite in a certain situation but at the same time, like he can be out in social and be with people, no problem.

Speaker 2:

It's like an active, sporty dog.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah. So you were kind of like I don't want to say taken advantage of but Oh, fully, girlie, spam.

Speaker 2:

You're a fucking spam.

Speaker 1:

You're like their ideal person to like take advantage of, because like-. A freaking dits You wanted a protection dog, but you didn't really know, like, what that entailed.

Speaker 2:

Well, it's like you have a regular dog, a poodle, right Like I have a Yorkie at home, and it's like, oh, you show me this picture of a dog biting. Well, that's more than what my dogs can do, great. But you don't understand. There's so many layers that come with it. You got strength, grip, you got situational. Are they actually biting like a hidden sleeve or are they biting the marshmallow man? They know It's what you do. That's what I'm going to start calling the decoys Marshmallow. Yeah.

Speaker 3:

The marshmallow. Are you biting the marshmallow man?

Speaker 2:

Well they know it And I learned that all of this is picture like. So once they see the picture so many times marshmallow man, you know that's what you do, you do bite, yeah, but hey, guess what? Me walking down the street or me having dinner, and all of a sudden I pull a knife on you. they're supposed to be there, and if I tell you to bite, they bite at any point.

Speaker 1:

That's what a protection dog is supposed to be.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Okay, anyways, let's go back to your story. So you show up for this midway session. Your dog is super skinny, is being essentially probably abused, bleached, yeah, which is from like probably the discoloration on the sides.

Speaker 2:

She's two toned.

Speaker 1:

She's two toned.

Speaker 2:

I've come to a conclusion. I just appreciate her. Like a diesel truck, she's two toned And that's what I got to roll with. You know, she's custom. You know nobody's walking around saying they got a two toned dog. But I do So funny.

Speaker 1:

Okay. And then, even after all of that, you said you know what I'm gonna buy a protection dog, No, this would be for Okay, okay, Okay.

Speaker 2:

The two toned was a pleasant surprise at the end. Oh, you know, once I started to extract everybody and go on these missions of extractions. You know it's like, by the way, she's two toned. I was like, great, thank you, hey Grant, thank you so much, let's go. You know. So, yeah, i got once they put that stuff that like, hey, we're rewiring her, and we just had to suppress the food and take it away from her. I was like, okay, whatever you say, i just, you know, there's a part of me that like low key, didn't want to deal with it. That's why you hire a professional. Like I don't want to be doing HVAC. I don't know anything about HVAC. I'm going to hire air conditioner guy to come and take care of it. So, like my dog is lunging and she hates the UPS guy, i don't want to deal with it, I'm going to hire a professional. Well, that professional came out to be very professional with my two, don't mama?

Speaker 3:

That's what I call her.

Speaker 2:

So, yeah, after that I was like, hey, I'm going to get a PBD, there's this dog, i fell in love with him. I was like, great, and I was. You know, I sold myself on it. You kind of like hype yourself up because you get so emotional about it in the best way, but you're like, hey, i'm going to get this dog And I already have one in there. They're just going to bond and like, do the integration together. This is going to be so wonderful And once they come home and they bring them home, it's just going to be like dandelions and I'm going to be hopping across the field with them, you know. And I got the protection dogs And I had two dogs in there. They continued doing the same things. They got a little bit better a week And I'm just assuming they were just happy about the wire that I sent. So like for two weeks I was actually pleasantly happy. And then, once I got the protection dog, i started hovering over them, meaning I would just come in and I would just come out on the weekend and I would just bond with them and use that type of excuse. But I saw my dogs not progress. So then, a month after getting the protection dog. I had the turnover and I took my regular dog back home And you know she did all the spans and all the twirls there And then once I got her home, it was a totally different story And one of the things that they say it's like oh, she's not used to that environment. You know it's a new environment. They're used. Think of it as school. You know they do this at school and then they come home and they're not going to do it. But what I came to realize after speaking to actual professionals is she was heavily equipment dependent. So, like the e-colors and all that stuff, she would just do whatever. It is Not because she was happy to do it, because she was suppressed to do it Right they would just-.

Speaker 3:

She was very compulsive, she was just trying to avoid the punishment.

Speaker 1:

They would just zap her.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they would just zap her. So of course she's going to go down when you tell her down, because she doesn't want to get zapped. So once I took my regular dog down and 72 hours I was like this is bad. Within seven days to 10 days I took my protection dog out because it was a hefty amount that I was contracted in and I was not willing to go through what I went through with my regular dog, that I was going to go with my protection dog because the biggest, the biggest thing that I was thinking is a freaking liability And that's one of the most fearful things that you could have is like a loose cannon at your home or at your side. That just bites for. However, they instruct them to do but like they just layer them so wrong, and that's one of the things that was really scary.

Speaker 3:

It's unpredictable.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they're. They're maniacs, you know, depending. Because one of the things that I learned is they just build these dogs and they stack them. Like my dog was a year and a half and I was contracted to do room sweeps gun fire, exposure and they were supposed to be so stable But because of my breed and my dog that was not a sufficient time. Like a year and a half for the dog that I was signed up for is not the same that it would be a year for, like, a Malinois or something that's more appropriate for that timeline. So essentially they just don't.

Speaker 1:

Did we mention that your protection dog is a Doberman? Maybe not?

Speaker 2:

I have a protection doberman that I'm developing myself. Hi, it's me developing my protection dog. After all these contracts and all these wires have hit, i am still here developing a protection dog for myself. That's crazy Nice to meet you.

Speaker 1:

You're a dog trainer now.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I am. I mean, yeah, unexpected. I know how to do it, I know in the most amazing blessed way, but you know that is not what I send up for to do. So now I drive two hours and I have all these decoys and trainers on the payroll in order to develop my very overvalued protection dogs. Hopefully he'll protect me once.

Speaker 3:

Now you can start training and selling your own Okay.

Speaker 1:

So what got you to pull your dogs out, Like what was kind of like the final straw of your like okay, this is like obviously not going very well.

Speaker 2:

Every time I would go there. They're dirty, they're messy, they're stinky. They were psychotic and energy and I was just like, oh, it must be the drive, It must be the drive, they're building the drive. But what I came to realize is they were psychotic because they would be in these four by six doggy jails and they wouldn't be able to see hardly any of daylight. So when they would come to see me, they would just be, you know, in like a. They're like thank God, yeah, they would just be like insane with me. And once I started adding all the pieces, one of the biggest things is I just didn't see any progress, but I was blessed enough to be able to float in, you know. So if, uh, you're doing a facility, don't do it, but just know that you should be getting. It's very normal. You need to be getting an update. If you're texting to get an update about your dog, it should be a very simple reply within a couple of hours, 24 hours max, which I think is too much, but I'm being reasonable. But it should be a very simple reply. And don't think that you're being too much, because that was one of my problems. I'm like Hey, i'm just bothering them, like I just expected this process to be like an honest, blissful process. Yeah, i was like I don't want to bother the professionals, like why they're busy with dogs, but in reality they were, you know, busy on Netflix or Instagram. My thing.

Speaker 1:

Um, i've definitely like been in the position where I'm like I feel guilty for not sending owners enough updates, but we definitely try to do updates at least every single day. Oh and like this is a home, like it's not like we have a million dogs in here and no trainers, and I think that's probably like the biggest issue with that is like the limited amount of trainers. Like I mean, we have what? One, two, three, four, five dogs in this room right now And tomorrow we have you, me, alyssa, like Elvis, you know like that, many people, many people with significantly less dogs. But that is the problem with facilities is, you have this big facility So you have to take on more dogs. You have more expenses overhead, you have more overhead, um, and then you kind of get into the dog trainers with, like the big egos. You know, that's why you're seeing the Lambos and the sports cars. It's because, like that head trainer gets a big ego. They start making a lot of money and they don't want to pay people, they don't want to hire more people, they're just kind of bragging about the flashy stuff instead of how well they're actually taking care of and training the dogs.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, and social media has definitely shaped this because, it's so easy to have control over people's perception of you. You know, and that's one thing that I've kind of realized, because I've had my business for uh like going on six years now and I wasn't into like the social media world until this past year. So, like it was just in this past year that I started kind of getting involved with like my accounts blew up And so I started getting more involved with like all of these dog trainers that I met online and I started seeing you know other people's facilities and how other dog trainers are doing things. And you know, you do have those moments where you meet a trainer who you're like wow, like I have seen what you do online and I'm really excited to meet you And it's just like very underwhelming And it makes you realize that you know the public perception of these people on social media is just like not the reality. Like it's just not the reality and you don't realize it unless you're in the industry, like involved, or somebody like you who unfortunately had to like learn the hard way. You know, like I tell people all the time when I'm doing like sales calls with people, i'm like do not send your dog to a facility.

Speaker 2:

Like don't send your dog to a facility. I will never, never, like, no matter the emergency or anything Like I will never. It will only go to a private person that I work with, whether that's protection or just regular obedience, and I will never, ever set foot in another facility Like I, just you can't. It's traumatizing, it's fraud. Yeah, it is Like, that's what a lot of people do And you know it's like, it's like a restaurant, it's like why can't we get people to come in, health inspectors or whatever, do a surprise visit on these guys? It's just so unregulated.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, dog training is so unregulated And not even that.

Speaker 3:

but, like there's facilities who are friends with these people who, like, do these inspections as well, or they know someone who's within it, and then they know exactly when they're coming and they're already hiding, but like who is doing inspections, that's what I'm saying, they're not.

Speaker 1:

It's like oh what like governing body it has, like any say over? like what goes on at dog training facilities? nothing, there's literally nothing.

Speaker 3:

There's no, like checks and balances You have like your basic, like outline of, like what the dogs need and what you need to provide, but like it is, so bare minimum It's literally like water. But like the facility they would take. they would hide the dogs in, like the dorms, because they were so overcrowded and you're not allowed to have that many dogs there, so they would literally go hide dogs in the dorms, like stacked up.

Speaker 1:

That's so wild. This is literally why I am like getting away from boarding trains and I've tried to like, communicate to that, to communicate that to people as much as possible of like boarding trains are not it.

Speaker 3:

No, they are not. It sucks.

Speaker 1:

Like I would send my dogs away to one other trainer, to one other person. I know a lot of dog trainers, i'm friends with a lot of dog trainers. I would only send my dog, my dogs, to one other trainer that I know.

Speaker 3:

Like that says something you know have like four and like four or five, or I would like fully trust my dog to like be there, like I know they would get work, they would get their time and like they would be taken care of and I could trust that person. Yeah, out of like everyone that I know, like I and this people I've known for years and I know how they like actually run their business and everything.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, And it's just like not a sustainable model as far as like running a business with like real animals and real people go, which is why we're like making that transition over to daily training. Just because it's like one, your trainer should be working your dog in front of you. They should be able to explain everything, open book everything that they are doing. If your trainer cannot answer like why they are doing something, like you need to find a new trainer. If they are, if they, the dogs, have to drink and be like it's so noisy every time we do a podcast. But if you know that trainer is saying like Oh, you don't need to know this, They just can't explain it or you're too much, Yeah, You're too much Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Like that's the thing, like even like working at, like the place I was working at, like if you the things that like I just see there, like if you cannot explain to that client what you just did to their dog today, you should not be doing this at all. Yeah, If you cannot do it, if you cannot tell the client and be honest with them, like Hey, you did this to their four month old puppy, You would be like you'd be shut down immediately. But you can't tell them that because then, like like there's so much stuff that goes on behind like closed doors. It's insane And that's why it's like I can't, like I was, like I'm not going to be here. Y'all are going to end up on the news soon, So peace out. Like I cannot be associated with something like this, I cannot support this. Like it's so ridiculous. It's like you have to really pay attention with these facilities. How many dogs they are training a month? Yeah, How many dogs are coming in? How many dogs are coming out? How are they really selling this program to you? Cause they'll be like Oh, it's like a six weeks program, but you're dropping your dog off one time a week with these people. That is one week of training for $3,000. Yeah, how are you going to get all of this training that's shoved down your dog's throat in one week and now you're going to have like a perfectly behaved dog with all this obedience on it? That's the dictatorship.

Speaker 2:

It is, it is, and so that's like that's what they do.

Speaker 1:

They suppress them, yeah, and then well, and that's the other thing too is like so you either do these like really long board and trains where you know you aren't getting necessarily like the updates that you want, or they're not working your dog Like let's be real, let's be super real. All of the facilities that we know dogs are sitting in crates all day long, all day long All day.

Speaker 3:

Someone who has worked at facilities. Your dog is sitting in the crate all day just letting you know. Yeah, like I promise you, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so you have these dogs that are sitting in crates all day long, and then basically the trainers can say essentially like whatever they want to make you have Happy or make you believe that your dog is getting booked.

Speaker 2:

And you told us too that, like they were sending old pictures, like the pictures, cause you get a picture but then, once you actually save it, if you have an iPhone, you can see the date and the time that it was taken. So like they'll be like, oh, great job, we did this and this today, and then you'll save the picture and the picture is like two days old. So it's like great, yeah, yeah, it's just a scam that they do. It's fraudulent. You know all these dogs it's gonna be monster. Take her outside We get back.

Speaker 3:

We always have to do this Intermission.

Speaker 1:

We literally wait, wait, wait wait, move your microphone away from the headphones before we get feedback.

Speaker 3:

Yes, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1:

We always have to do this. She probably has to go potty, though We're talking about how, like at facilities, dogs are like rotting in crates all day and we're just trying to record a podcast for an hour and the dogs won't even leave us alone alone long enough to do that. But yeah, that's like such a common thing And like when I do these phone calls with people and I'm talking to them about, like you know, the in-home lessons, people are like well, why would I, why would I pay that for like a one time lesson or for, like you know, an hour a day, when I can send my dog away to a board and train and they're going to be worked multiple times a day and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I'm like your dog's going to sit in a crate all day long And like the amount of time in daily training that we spend working with the dogs is, honestly, probably more than they would, more training than they would get at a facility or at a board and train.

Speaker 2:

Well, it's like perception just cause your dog's in there 24 hours. It doesn't mean that's any benefit. You know you could have a dog that's gone for 24 hours, or you could have a one to two hour lesson with somebody, but you just have to understand the value that comes for them. Just because they're gone for way more hours, that doesn't mean that's any valuable. You can get a 30 minute insane lesson. That'll just do insane progress, And then you can do the like passive stuff.

Speaker 1:

You, the owner, can do the crate training and you know the husbandry stuff, all of all of the stuff that you have to do in a board and train. that isn't the active training. like the owner can do, that you know. and then it leads to like less burnt out trainers too. Like everybody is happier, the dogs are happier, they're in their homes, where you know environment is everything for dogs. So, like you said, your dogs come home after the board and train and they're like well, it's a new environment. It's like, yeah, that's definitely a thing, but like, if you can't train a dog, that's like stable in multiple environments and like keep the training up after the dog goes home. Like what are you doing?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, as a dog trainer, my dog can sit in your octagon training facility, but when she's in my living room she can't sit. You know like we have an issue.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, exactly Like you should be able to do basic commands or tell your dog go to place, and they should be able to hold place regardless of where your dog is. You know, and it's like even people like dropping off their dogs and picking them up and everything like that, and it's just like shoving all this stuff on your dog and such a short amount of time and a brand new in, like brand new place. The dog doesn't know you, you don't know the dog. There is so much like risk in that, you know, like someone literally went to the hospital and got bit.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

She had stitches and she was out for like two months because she literally could not use her hand because, like you're, you don't know these dogs. You don't know these dogs well enough and you're not doing the evaluations well enough to understand putting these dog, like these dogs, through these situations, like at all you know. And it's a shame because people like, oh, you graduated, but like you graduated because you just finished, like your time is up, yeah, not because the dog is doing well enough, right.

Speaker 1:

It's ridiculous, yeah And okay. So like the most dogs that I had at one time for board and trains was 12. We had 12 dogs So two full time trainers, two hourly people, an online assistant and then myself with those 12 dogs And that was like way too much. Like it got to that point where I was like I'm cutting board and trains, like we're done. I don't want to do this, like there's no reason there needs to be this many dogs in the house, kind of thing you know, but that was the amount of dogs that we had to take on to be able to pay all of those people to take care of those dogs. You know so when you say, oh, this facility had like 15 dogs, i'm like okay, well, that's not really that much. But when you say, well, only two people are taking care of the dogs, it's like okay, that's where the issue is.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, So at the facility I was at, or like the facility I was running, it was me and one other trainer and we had one panel tech who, like literally was not doing his job at all. The owner was not involved. Literally none of the clients like, oh, like, where's this person? Where's this person? I'm like, oh well, he's like out of town, or oh, he was just here. I'm like I literally had to lie to clients about this when, like he had zero involvement, all the reviews is like, oh my God, he did so great with my dog. He did so like he has never met your dog. He has never met your dog. Me and this other trainer did all the work on these dogs and it was me and her Right. We worked together one day a week, otherwise it was just me or it was just her. Between 14 to 20 dogs a month, a month for boarding trains, on top of me doing all the social media, and then we were doing like individual lessons on top of that.

Speaker 1:

And you didn't have like an online person.

Speaker 3:

No, I was the online person like zero help, Like we were drowning, I was burnt out. I kept asking for help. It wasn't happening. Like I felt so sick of like talking to these clients about this stuff because it's like I couldn't, like I literally could not put myself in the position to be like it wasn't my business You know it was my business and then like people blaming me when it's like it's not, this aren't my decision, This is my business. Like I'm like the middle person here and it's like you're put up against the wall. I'm like I don't know what to do.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, i think the dog training business model definitely needs to change. I think, like for a while it was people wanted facilities and now I think, like, let's say, you are going to do a board and train, don't do it. If you do a board and train, do it where it's like an individual. Yeah, you know, and they have two board and train.

Speaker 2:

When you say facility, I like twitch a little bit.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like no facilities, no facilities.

Speaker 2:

The F word just gets me.

Speaker 1:

Well, okay. so, for example, I I like reached a point. I was like, okay, if I'm going to grow this in person place and I really want to get shit out of my house, what do I need to do? Like, what is that? What does the facility picture look like for me? Right? So I went and toured a building of where I could have dogs overnight, and I think the rent for this building was like 14,000. Okay, so I would need to take on at least like 30 board and trains, and it was a big enough facility. So I'm like, all right, if we had 30 board and trains, how many staff would I need to be able to take care of all of these dogs? a lot And I'm like doing the math and I'm like this, just like, yes, you can make it work, but it's one of those things that it's like okay, you got the space, now you need more dogs, and then you need more people, then you need even more dogs because you need more people to take, and it just kind of like snowballs into like we need more and more and more and more. And I think that's what happens with these trainers. Only they get a little stingy and they get a little selfish and they start making money and they want to buy, you know, the bougie cars instead of paying people to actually like come in and take care of the dogs and train the dogs.

Speaker 2:

You know, yeah, they're just placeholders, they're just monthly placeholders, literally. These dogs, yeah.

Speaker 3:

Another thing like you were talking about is like the money you know like the amount of money, like the money that they're spending and like all this stuff.

Speaker 2:

I forgot to tell you, but for my regular dog I spent $15,000. Oh my God, for two months Now it was like four, it was three and a half, because I was supposed to have the two week turnover with my Pippa Day that I'm developing all of a sudden, But um yeah, 15,. it was 8,000 or 7,000, some 7,000 something, so I just probably 16, but let me just live at 15 right now.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And the only thing she's a beast at is when I say here she has an outstanding recall And best believe. I use it every day because I'm getting my money's worth $15,000 recall on this girl.

Speaker 3:

All right, like 20 times.

Speaker 2:

every time I say here at 15 great, oh my gosh Okay.

Speaker 1:

So what did your doberman come out like?

Speaker 2:

mess, he's a dud, he's fucking did see, he's not up to like an age of what they were going to do. So I came out one of the things I would go down there and I would stay. I would, i would stay and I would uh, i had a house down there in that region which I have liquidated due to personal reasons, as in as I will not be affiliated with this city no longer. Everything is gone. I no longer reside there. I do not know of that city.

Speaker 1:

You know it does not exist.

Speaker 2:

No, it's just underwater, south Florida, google it. So I came out and my PVD and I were hanging out and I had one of those Kong red frisbees right. So I'm in the backyard and I flee and he hops like a bunny rabbit but just like the most ditzy thing that you can imagine of a six figure dog. And I look at it and I'm just like what in the world is this?

Speaker 1:

You're six. You got your dog, you got, you got it from me.

Speaker 2:

I was like, sir, get it Nothing. And I was like, yep, And that's because they just keep them locked in, you know, and I would go do neighborhood walks and I would pass like 10 homes. It'd be four or 5pm. I know it's a little spicy out there, I get it, but I would wait. but you know I like to. you're supposed to condition them. They're like athletes, you know, so they're monsters and you're supposed to build them up And then doing the whole condition, enough heat and everything. that's very normal, drive everything. So I'd walk him and he would. I didn't realize it at that time, but he would just like check out. He would just go in the neighbor's front lawn and just lay there.

Speaker 3:

Oh my gosh Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And I was like, okay, like I have a problem. So yeah, between that and a lot of dizziness, it was, it was quite the experience.

Speaker 1:

Damn. Well, tell us what you got going on. Now You've got a few trainers that you work with, yes, and they're amazing.

Speaker 2:

They're God sent.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And once I took him out of the facility, i did the whole extraction. It was a whole scene. You know, my dog was coming with me one way or another. I didn't care what happened at that facility or who was all right or not, let's just put it that way but my dog was coming with me, so he came with me and I just took a three month break. Now, obviously, i did obedience with him and I just did the best that I could, because one of the things that I learned about the working dog is, once I took him out of the facility, there was a lot of like suppression that I experienced. Meaning, like I was, i'm a really like willing handler, like I'm very passionate. I'll do anything as long as it benefits the dog. Right, i'll drive two hours to the amazing trainer that I find in two hours back home or rent an Airbnb nearby and we'll just work. I'll pay whatever it is privately because I just want to be able to have a good product. Like I signed up for the experience. Now I am the experience, you know. So I'm going to do whatever it takes to provide this dude an experience and myself, even though I am the experience, right. So I a lot of these, some of these places like, once you start asking questions, you're like Hey, you're just too involved And I'd be like what do you mean? Like you know, show me, show me like a heel. Like give, give me something like what is a heel? Cause it's like a heel is very simple. But it's a position Like nobody talks about what a heel and everybody knows what a heel looks like, but there's a type of positioning that everybody wants. Now, you know, everybody has different things, so it's not necessarily anything specific, but some people like their dogs like on them, other people don't like their dogs touching on them. So it's like very broad. But I came in and I'd be like you know what is a heel? Maybe like you're just too involved, you know you're just too much. But it all starts out as like this painting picture of like Oh my gosh, you're the perfect client, you float in and you actually bond with the dog. You know cause. My essential goal was like Hey, i'm going to float in once this guy is done. I wanted to be like Hey, i'm coming home, not like Hey, i'm getting placed somewhere. And you got to learn. Like I wanted to be like Bobby, you home. You know, i didn't. I didn't want it to be like Hey, who's this? Yeah, you know you want to be a stranger to your dog, so you know they first paint the picture of like Oh, you're the perfect person. You know, i'm so grateful for the customer and everything. And then, once you start being like asking questions, they're like, oh, you're too much, You just, you're just too much, you're too involved, let us do our job and all this stuff. And I was like, all right, red flag done out, yeah, um, so now he does not leave my site and I only do things on a private level And obviously I do group things and there's a lot of like, socialization and everything. But I have to. I do my due diligence to ensure that the person is so. One of the things that you can do on Instagram is if you go on there and you just see clout, clout, clout, meaning like the dog is just biting or the dog is doing a obedience or it's doing like a routine, right Red flag. If you have somebody on there, that's actually like every other video or so is like explaining and you can actually see like the dog being worked versus some sort of a synchronized opera routine. That's the difference. That's the difference you know cause, like when you're scrolling on TikTok you're like, oh, look at this thing heals, it walks backwards Like it does everything, but it. No, that's not it. That's something that they practice and they post it online and most likely, you know, don't claim it to be factual, but most likely that's a freaking old video and all they do is just really recorded these videos for people. Yeah, it's literally like it's recycled videos Cause if you scroll down to 2021,. they did the same thing, yeah.

Speaker 1:

And it's like you don't even have that dog there anymore. Record this 22nd clip of me doing this thing And then like I never going to touch the dog again.

Speaker 3:

That's literally it, it's literally, it, it is like record me.

Speaker 1:

record me doing this thing Okay.

Speaker 2:

Yep, but I'm thankful there's social media, because at least these dogs see daylight for the 20 seconds.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I mean you gotta do something like these dogs are just like hoarded, Like that's like I worked in, like a facility like that, you know, like I went to a facility like that and like it's a big. it's a big facility and like you're having well known very well known go from all over to go to this place and to work there to work there to learn there. Like y'all know who I'm talking about. But like everyone will praise this place. Everyone will praise this place Like, oh my God, you have to go there, You have to be a student there. Like it's so cool. Like when you get there, it is a shit show. The living conditions alone, black mold everywhere. Half the shit is broken. Like it was so bad I was sick for two weeks straight. Like I was so sick the entire time I was there. Like it was such a mess. These dogs are hoarded there. There's like 50 dogs alone like in the kennels, And then you have dogs that are lined up in crates all along the facility. You're importing 10 dogs a month. That is not quarantined correctly right next to the pet dogs And there's kennel cough going around. The dogs are constantly getting sick, No matter how much you clean you have. Yeah, like worms. All the dogs got worse there twice when I was there as well. I was there, for I was supposed to be there for a year. I left after four months because I could not deal with this. The dogs are getting abused alone And it's like whenever you have to clean the facility, right, you have the dogs that are there for like single purpose, dual purpose, whatever, And the dogs that are too old or suck at what they do, that aren't being sold. The only time they literally go outside is if I had to put them like in a trailer to clean the kennels And then they go right back in that kennel. Every morning at the all the kennels are like filled with crap. I have to spray it out. The dogs are covered in crap. Like they don't even let you like cuddle or like touch the dogs because they're like, Oh well, like it's going to mess up the dog And they're just going to want attention. I'm like, well, if you actually gave it attention and gave it balance, you wouldn't have a problem with this dog working Now, would you Right? You know, like I spoiled the crap out of my dog, but like he'll work. You know like there's a difference between that And it's like it's such, it's like it's such a shame and no one will talk about it because they're so afraid of the person who runs it and they don't want to be kicked out of things. but they praise it so much when it's like you know the reality of what it's like there and you will talk about it in person, but online you constantly praise this place. That's why I'm not in the sport, that's why I don't associate with anyone who goes there, because every single person there is like you know the truth about it. And why do you continue to support a place like this? It's absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 1:

Well, we were talking to one of our clients yesterday about all of this. We were like the dog training industry is literally Tiger King and people have no idea. But like the egos in it's so bad. It's so bad.

Speaker 3:

It's so bad, yeah, and like even now, like again place I was working at and they're like, oh, like, come to this, like you know, like this conference and all the stuff And if the conference is literally like all of these big name facility franchise trainers every single one of them are there. They all talk about like this is a place to start up your company to make the money in dog training, right. Like, come to like my million dollar facility and like all of us come together is like $10 million combined a year or something like this. And it's like you praise so much about like how much money you can make and all this stuff. Like all you care about is the money aspect. And like they would bash me for how long it would take my dog for me to like do something, because I'm like building it up and like luring and all this stuff. Like I want it to look a certain way. I'm not in a rush to do this. So like, well, took you nine months to do like a focused heel. I'm like, yeah, i'd be like when I was happy with it and like took me about six months, but nine months where I was like really happy with it and I liked it And they were like well, that takes too long. I'm like that's the whole point. It's supposed to take time. You don't just like throw all this stuff down a dog's throat and like expect it to be perfect.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

You know, but it's like also look whose dog is cleaner.

Speaker 2:

My dog, that's that diminishing a willing handler Exactly. Don't listen to anybody Like just do your thing. If you have your mindset on it, just do it. Find the right people, instagram, look at what they post and just do it. Don't listen to anybody because they're going to be all around. They're just going to be doing the same thing. When I took out my protection dog, when I extracted him I like to make it sound fancy because I did- Well, it's like I deserve it. You know what I mean. A six figure extraction, let me live All right. I got a 15 K recall in a six figure. Like screw off, all right, i'm living big, all right. So I get him home and I have a house in Tennessee, right In the mountains. I get him home, i'm stabilizing because he's consumed in the kennels. That's another thing is the kennel texts, or so they don't care about your dog. You know, they put other dogs next to you and they just consume things and things are left in their kennel, you know, besides their bodily fluids. So I bring them home and I have, in the beginning, right when you, right before you enter the driveway, i have landscaping, so I have boulders and I have like a four foot boulder and I have like a two foot boulder. Is there, they're scattered right. So I was like but here, so I have him jump up. And of course I was like you know he's young, i have him jump on a four foot boulder because he's really springy, he's really active, he's energized. So he's like, he jumps up, he's good. So then I say, bub here. And he comes down. He had no idea of depth perception at a year and three months old because he's never friggin been outside.

Speaker 1:

Oh my.

Speaker 3:

God.

Speaker 2:

He skittish chin because he had no idea of depth perception. Yeah So then I started working with a one foot boulder and like you, like you see those dog first of all. this is after the training.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, extraction extraction Sorry.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, training is my 15 K recall. The other one didn't finish because you know I got a cut tie somewhere on my losses. I can't, I'm not just going to be a hotel dog, fraudulent funder. So I started working the one foot boulder and you could just see like he just jumps down and he's got like no clue of where the floor is And I'm just like my gosh, like you, I can't make it up. I honestly like I was around my family and I was like, like am I delusional, or does he can't jump off of one foot like rock, Like look at this, like am I literally never been outside?

Speaker 1:

or like done anything in his life, so he's like he couldn't even walk past like six homes in a neighborhood.

Speaker 2:

That's crazy, it's, it's insane.

Speaker 3:

So that's crazy.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, don't do a facility.

Speaker 3:

It's like. It's just like you have to be aware of like who's like who is posting videos of the progress, them actually working through problems with dogs, or like posting that stuff, or them cleaning the facility, showing you like the care that goes into your dogs and their routines and everything other than just like look how much money we make because they're just pumping out dogs. Like that is it. Like their whole thing is rushed. They're pumping out dogs. All they care about is how much money they're making. So that's why it's like be super aware of like the whole entire process. You need to pay attention to detail. Just stop sending your dogs to these like companies and large scale facilities because they do not care about your dog. I can't name a single facility that I know or have heard of that is like really doing good freaking work with these dogs, honestly, like the one. I would have to say that the one company that I know of and they do like severe behavior mod is I think they're like in North Dakota, idaho, something like that, but it's like method.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yes, yes, yeah, you can tell she runs a good chip facility.

Speaker 3:

She is absolutely incredible.

Speaker 1:

I have been such a fan of her for so long, so long, like if I was ever going to run a facility, it would be like that.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, You can tell like she puts so much like care into those dogs. She's like her facility is spotless.

Speaker 1:

Her trainers have been with her for a long time.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and like you can tell, like they really like your dog comes out a completely different dog and everything was conditioned properly at the dog's pace And she shows like behind the scenes She has like shadows. She's amazing, yeah, yeah. I completely, i have like started following her like years ago and I'm like this is app, Like I even send an email to apply there. Yeah, One time I was like I doubt I was even going to move cross country and like a cold ass place, But like why not? You know? because, like she's just like I have so much respect for her. Because, like that is the example that facilities need. Yes, like stop sending your dog to these places that are just popping up overnight and taking in all these damn dogs. And like even the evals, like they're just sell you on their idea of like training should be really need is more women run facilities.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, like let's be real for a second, You know ruin everything. It's like they just don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1:

They just don't give a fuck, they do not care.

Speaker 3:

I promise you they don't care.

Speaker 2:

They want that carbon fiber.

Speaker 3:

They want the Lambo. Yeah, I've worked at three pretty big facilities, like they don't care at all. You know, it's like there's. It's just such a shame because it's like I wish I could be so honest with these clients. I'm like I'm about to put myself in some hot ass water over it, but it's like I really wish I could be the one to tell you like this is what's really going on with your dog. And it's like if I didn't have an outlet, like if I didn't have anything else to do, like go. You know, like, but if you genuinely ask me, i will tell you. You know, like I'm not going to lie to you about this stuff. And it's like I'm so sick of seeing dogs like being abused and like hung and like helicoptered, whatever the heck. It is like sprayed with a water hose inside of a kennel, which it's like a puppy. You know like, yeah, it's insane, you're not helping anyone in that aspect. And it's like if I knew you did that to my dog.

Speaker 1:

Oh my gosh, if people just knew what was going on at like some of these facilities, they would just die.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, And it's like yeah, And like there's stuff that like showed up with. I don't even care if I say like awfully she came on, everyone knows that terrible, But like even in something happened in Las Vegas just recently and that at awfully, just like, stop sending your dog to franchises alone. Like franchises, like stop doing it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

You know it's not, it's not helping anyone. And then you're just going to come straight to like us or like other private owners and stuff like that anyway, because like they messed up your dog.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, one of the things that I would recommend, just from a rookie standpoint, like I know it's going to take a little bit of effort, but just don't cut corners. Just do the effort with your dog, whatever it is, even if you get frustrated. do that rep, put the leash on before you go out or, you know, do whatever you got to do because, even though it's a little bit of work, the payout that you get from it, the bond that you have with your dog, like you, the owner doing training Yeah. Yeah, no, you have a professional, but then you just maintain it, right, no matter how frustrated you are, just do it. because once you get those couple of fulfillments, it's like starting the gym. You know what I mean? Just day one, go like you're not going to get anything out of it, just go. but like week three, you're going to be like wow, like I feel great. So just do the whole process. do it with the dog, because I didn't do it and now I'm building a PPD, all right.

Speaker 1:

And this is like literally why we do daily training.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, just do it. It's so simple in in the short term because I just wanted a professional handle it at it. But you know, it's a dog, it's not a system, it's not a vendor, It's your baby, it's your little nugget. So just do it And once you get those couple of reps in, you're just going to have a totally different bond and experience with your own dog.

Speaker 1:

Well, if you have and let's just say you have a pet dog and you're wanting to do behavioral modification, it's a lot of behavioral modification on the owners and as well, which is why I was like struggling with these board and trains for so long, because it's like I'm putting in so much work with these dogs and my trainers were putting in so much work and they're like burning themselves out. And then you have an owner who has not been putting in the work not like it's their fault or anything, but it's just like how the training is structured. And then we expect them to keep up with it after the dog goes home. Like how can they keep up with it? We haven't taught them the skills or anything. So like with daily training, like we're literally training the owner and the dog at the same time. So like we're in what? two weeks with Ollie, yeah. I mean or no? this is like yeah this is technically like the third week with Ollie, one of my daily training clients, and like they are already so much better at handling their dogs, like their handling skills. That is what makes the night and day difference, and just to have somebody like show up at your house every day and hold you accountable to those things. And hold you accountable to like Hey, tweak, you know how you're holding the leash a little bit. Or maybe you know your fix, your timing of when you're rewarding the dog. Like that is the stuff that matters. Like I know that I can train a dog all day long. But if the dog goes back home to a completely inexperienced owner, like it doesn't matter what you can do with a dog if the owner does not feel comfortable and confident And if you can't explain the why behind why you're doing everything essentially the dogs only gonna be as good as The owner or the tools that you're able to give them like they can't like.

Speaker 2:

For example, you know My dog didn't know death perception but that's because he's never seen it like it's not his fault.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

He's never been on a boulder, He's been flat in a four by six kennel. You know he's kenneled like a beast. So I got a 15k recall and I got a six figure kennel beast.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and it's like talk about winning. And that's what it's like, even with, like the daily training. It's like, and it's like I come from facilities and all this stuff, and it's like even when I saw your like first boarding train go home, and it's like we went for a walk, we did kennel stuff and then we like went over tools, like, very like.

Speaker 1:

Very, very simple for the yeah and it was like.

Speaker 3:

And then I was like. At first I was like what the heck? like? what about this? This isn't you're like. You're like we have time to do these follow-up lessons every single day for like the next week or so. Yeah, like then nitpick all these other things, but this is just for them to maintain this. And I was like that makes so much sense because it's like in those go-home Sessions you try to like, like what.

Speaker 1:

I'm gonna turn you into a dog trainer in two hours.

Speaker 3:

Like no, not realistic.

Speaker 1:

Okay, we're. You watched What's the aggressive, the my aggressive doodle. You watch that. Go home.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, that's the first that I saw yeah, okay, so I've done.

Speaker 1:

They're not local so I've done like virtual sessions with them, like every two weeks. Remember how, in that go-home session, i told them that I didn't want them to practice place? Yeah because I didn't want the dog to break place ever because that would kind of like damage their relationship. So, yeah, this dog was becoming aggressive. Anytime the owners would try to put anything on the dog, like a leash, or have any control or try to get the dog off The bed, the dog would become aggressive and like growl and snap at the owners, like becoming really like dangerous, problematic dog. So when we did the go-home session I kept it very, very simple. I was like look, you're going to walk your dog at heel. The dog is always going to have a leash on. Like you can never allow this dog to Not get off the bed when you tell you to get off the bed, sort of thing. And They're an older couple. So you know, i whenever e-caller with them, i like e-caller because it's just, it's just a press of a button. Doesn't that dog sound like a parrot? But in the go-home session I was like look, i taught him place, but I'm not gonna do place with you because what's going to happen is You're gonna go home and implement all of this new structure because even just walking at heel is new to them. I'm like at a turnover right now.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like, yeah, girl, let's go. I'm sitting back. My turnover was like hey, she does this, you pop her at this. If she does this, then you pop her at this higher level. That's it.

Speaker 1:

That's crazy. Yep, that's crazy to me. So basically what I do is I take the owners for a walk first. So the dog gets super amped up as soon as they see the owner. So I'm like, all right, we're walking, and while we're walking, i'm gonna teach you how I calm the dog down through walking drills And then I will show them, like at the beginning of our walk, i like to do 180s right, so like we're walking, walking, walking, the dog starts to get out in front. We change direction. So it just teaches the dog to like pay attention to me, mm-hmm. So I have the owners practice that, and then I like hand the leash off to them as we're walking. So, then the owner is handling the dog. I have them practice leash skills first and then the second half of the Go-home session was E-caller. So then I went over E-caller stuff, i go over crate door, you know, creating your dog, all the commands that we know and I was like I'm not going over place because I don't want you to put your dog on place and then for him to break place and that's going to Start to really deteriorate, deteriorate your relationship, right? Because if the dog gets away with something little like that, he's gonna start pushing the other boundaries. So I mean, how long ago did that dog go home? two months. How long have you been here?

Speaker 3:

A long time two months, right, two and a half.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like two and a half months. Today I had a virtual session with them. I was like all right, let's start doing place. Yeah, wow, you know like that's how slow I take things. Not necessarily that like the dog can't handle place, but it's like the owner. I can't drop this many behavioral changes on you in two hours and expect you to just completely Shift your entire way of living at once. You know like you wouldn't go to a personal trainer and expect, like them, to fix you in, be shredded.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and like shred me in a week, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, exact same thing. So We take it super, super slow. For that reason because it's like it's so owner focused for me, like the owner has to know what we're doing, why we're doing it, i have to turn them basically into like little dog trainers Mm-hmm, you know.

Speaker 3:

I love the daily training, like after everything that I've done, like this is just like how it should be Nothing behind closed doors. I'm gonna show you everything because, like at the facilities, there's stuff going on with your dog that you don't want to see or even hear about. And like daily training, like everything is right there in front of the owner, we literally have nothing to hide from you. Mm-hmm with the daily training. I think that's why people like it so much and it's like It's so nice and like with even with the board and trains, i was like we don't have to like do all this stuff with. We're not like cranking dogs into obedience Yeah you have so much time to build it and it's like two months and now we're doing plays. People are gonna be like Oh my god, that's crazy. Why don't you like this? Like I'm like. And then that's like that I would like. Whenever I first got here, i was like stressed. I'm like, am I not doing enough?

Speaker 1:

Like what am I doing?

Speaker 3:

I was like stressed. I was like what I'm like, do I do place? You're like no, i'm like okay, i was like what do I do? I was like so what do I do? She's like take them for a walk. And I was like I did Like what else? you know, i'm like looking for things to do, but it's like it's nice because I know the owners, like Some, can absolutely do that and they can handle all these things and like, cool, then we're gonna do all of that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, then we're gonna do working dog stuff. We'll do you know fancy, yeah, like touch cut and like all that stuff.

Speaker 3:

But like the majority of owners like they just want a dog that can like walk nice On a leash and like that you can take out and it's like there's not that much maintenance in handling your dog. Yeah, you know, that's what's so nice about it, and that's why it has to be sustainable.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like reasonable.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you have family, you have kids.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you have like a life.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, you mean you're not like a full-time newly dog trader? Yeah, a life. What is that Bite works? my life. Hey, good job.

Speaker 1:

Even like monster's owner. Like she she called me today or I called her and she was like I left a review, did you read it? and I was like no, i'm gonna read it when I get off the phone and she wrote on there. She was like I've taken monster to other trainers before and like don't waste your money. Like go here first, because Meg like took care of me and she took care of monster. And like how long did I have monster for?

Speaker 3:

Like as long as I've been here, literally like she's still here, she's back.

Speaker 1:

Like three week board and train turned into like I don't know eight weeks, and like part of that was because, like the owner was also going through a lot too, you know. So like I'm not gonna drop off this, like high drive, like used to be human aggressive dog, back off with the owner who I know can't handle it right now. You know, and like even in the go-home session we kept it very, very simple again. You know, like what you can maintain is what we're going to do. I'm not gonna go over like all of this fancy obedience with you when I know that you're not going to use any of that and it's not gonna be beneficial to her either. Like the dog, you know.

Speaker 3:

Exactly. It's like it's so nice, like it's so relieving to not like be in such a rush, like we talk about this all the time, like that's why it's like you have to pay attention to how many dogs are coming in and out of these facilities, because it's like it's like an assembly line I talked about this with Ryan Collins down in Louisiana on his podcast like they are just pumping out dogs, throwing all this stuff down your dog's throat. I'm telling you, even when your dog goes home during the week, even on this you are going to be struggling so much. Like are you really graduating because your dog knows this and your dog's got it down, or is it because your time is out And that's it, and now they got to replace you with a new dog? Yeah that's it.

Speaker 2:

I feel like I could leave a review. I mean, you just took me through a turnover.

Speaker 1:

Do you want to leave?

Speaker 2:

my review.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. I'll send you the link. No you're gonna have to come like shadow us.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you would like it.

Speaker 1:

We'll turn you into a dog trader Too late Started that this year.

Speaker 2:

You're four months too late.

Speaker 3:

I'm full blown. You could just start selling your own protection dogs.

Speaker 2:

Oh, um, you know. No for real, just so you know if you're in the facility or you're the owner or you're a worker. Tell your owner that one day you're gonna hit the wrong person and all of you are gonna get a correction.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, absolutely. That's what like I, the amount of people who, like, have messaged me about training and not a single person I know has shown up at the place I was working. There's a reason for that. There's a reason for that.

Speaker 2:

A correction And it's gonna be a good pow pow on you Wait what are you saying? Just saying. You're kinda scary, no one day you're gonna get a client that sees right through it and you hit the wrong person at the wrong time and the whole facility is gonna get a correction, just like what you do to these dogs. It's gonna come back to you. So you may be floating by, but things catch up to you.

Speaker 3:

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

You can only fake it so much.

Speaker 1:

I'm also a big believer and I've talked to you about this and like how you do one thing is how you do everything. And that's something that I look out for with other trainers and you know I I talk a lot about like we do not talk shit about people. Like I will never sit in my house with you and bash other trainers, you know, because I don't want people to do that to me. Or I would never like publicly shame somebody or like drag somebody through the mud, because I know what it feels like to be that You know. So like if somebody, if a trainer, is willing to like talk a bunch of shit about owners or talk a bunch of shit about other trainers Or about how you know other people are doing shitty things, they are gonna turn around and do the exact same thing to you, you know or if they're aggressive with you. You know if they're aggressive with their trainers, how they talk to their trainers, how you know like that is how they treat the dogs.

Speaker 2:

And then if you go in anywhere, if that person has a dog which most likely they have a dog, whether it's a working or pet Look at the bond that they have with the dog, like is their working dog neurotic and just a loose cannon, or is their dog obsessed with their handler And they just want to play and they're just looking for work. They're like what can I do? and it's not the quality, like it doesn't have to have a perfect heal, or like a perfect routine. It's the bond, it's the dog, and so there's no cause I think that dog is one of the things that I missed and that's the dog that I missed around that person, because that's one of the things that I missed on my show and tell is that I saw the dog and it was neurotic. But at that time I was like, wow, this dog is great, you know. Looking back at it it's like, hey, there was no bond, like that dog is just a loose cannon running around waiting to nuke anything. They just wanna do anything, they wanna play, they wanna. They're just looking at him, you know, and it's that type of bond. He's the next one on my podcast.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we're gonna have Chris on the podcast next week, you should. Working dog stuff yeah.

Speaker 2:

He's a blessing. Have you told him yet? Yeah, no, he knows. He knows what he's coming. He's coming, yeah.

Speaker 3:

We're gonna do it next week And like that's the He saved my dog.

Speaker 1:

He is a phenomenal trainer.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, amazing Like beyond beyond just gods and-.

Speaker 1:

I don't wanna say like soft, but he is pretty like soft with the dogs in like a good way, like the best way, not in like a The best way Not in like a soft with the dogs but like a He's passionate, he takes it.

Speaker 3:

He takes it. You don't need to be that hard with the dogs. Yeah, he takes it slow.

Speaker 1:

He's like why, you know why? why would we need to Yeah, yeah, like crank your?

Speaker 2:

dog, you know, yeah, He cares, and you see, it. He cares Like once you show, because you know some people come and they'll shop decoys or whatever. But once you weed out the ones that are just like shopping around. But once you stick around, which is about two, three sessions or so, he will give you anything. He will give you the whole book, all the knowledge of anything that you want And he will just build you up to anything that you would want. Like he doesn't suppress you, he doesn't care what breed it is, He cares what you do at home, how you are with the dog and how constructive you are with the homework that he gives you. Yeah, because he can only do so much. You know all of it is what you're going to do at home. Yeah, giving your dog too many outlets, or you're not doing X, y and Z, whatever you need. You come in for training, you know, and that dog just is maybe not interested because it's just has a you know a total candy store at home. It's going to be checked out. So they can only do so much what the handler does. But his passion is just yeah, he saved me.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, he's one of the people that saved me. Yeah, and I was on the phone with him for like an hour the first time I talked to him Like wow, like finally someone who knows what they're talking about, who can like build my dog up and everything. Like I was so excited to like meet him and everything. And then, like that's why, like and like even said this before, i was like that's why I only like I've talked to people on the phone before and like they everything. But then once I got there I was like that is not what I want to see with my dog and so that's what's like I only brought nitro because like I you know, like he sounds Incredible over the phone, but then it's like I in person, i just I don't know, you know, and I didn't want to put my other dog in that situation and get like who's already messed up, like Messed up by another decoy. I see how he's handling my dog. The whole conversation I had with him afterwards I was like dude, i was so Effing happy like I called everyone. I was like you Remember That was amazing like he worked my dog so much to yeah, yeah. Like your dog really does get worked and like every little detail does not go like untouched. And it was just amazing. I'm like I told me I was like I love it down here in Florida in general like the dogs, like the house, like everything. I'm like I found a club. Mm-hmm finally found a club and I was like I was so happy because that's all I've been looking for is, is the club is a decoy? is someone like I can actually have, like, coach me through every little effing thing Possible and help me build this up again? You know, don't have a movement down here for him, it's like it's a big part of yes, but yes. Here's like I was, like this is not an opportunity.

Speaker 2:

I can.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, like I was, like I have it's almost like you feel sane again. Yeah, like dude, literally I would probably say year and a half.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

I have not done really any Work with my dogs. Yeah they've gone to like some clubs, they've done some bites here and there, but like nothing, like this.

Speaker 2:

I remember I went to they had the bike club and I went to it because I was like, listen, i'm not gonna flunk privately. I took a family member. It was a little bit of a drive an hour and a half but I was like, family member, you're coming with me and We did the bike club. And I remember after I was like, is this real?

Speaker 3:

Same reaction at the same react. I was like yes, like this is exactly and everything I was looking for.

Speaker 2:

And.

Speaker 3:

I mean it's a dream, yeah, like this is like what I want, like this is what people like. I was like this is what people finding clubs. I was like this is so great, you're not crying, you're not getting yelled at And you're not a gossiping because a lot of these people get competitive and they're like my dog can lunch.

Speaker 2:

My dog can do this and it becomes toxic.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, i know, but like, even whenever I brought my dogs out, you saw how nervous I was. Like you doing the obedience I'm like.

Speaker 2:

I remember cuz I was like, do you want to sing? I was like, do you want me to record? and you're like, yeah, cuz you know like we work the dogs, but nobody's ever been able to record us like we're so intense to make sure that we provide safety for these decoys that are Working our dogs like the last thing that's on my mind is getting any footage of my dog Like I'm just trying to make sure this dude doesn't get his arm bit off Yeah, or his crotch killed.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and it's like, dude, like all I've been doing, like I've just had like that little voice in my head Screaming at me, because I've had that voice screaming at me for three years and it's like I have so much, like I know I have so much more ability, but like I'm so stuck in the way that, like I was, i guess, taught in certain areas or shut down in, so many ways where it's like that's yeah, like that's where I'm struggling. So it's like whenever I brought my dog out to do the obedience routine for like the street league stuff, i was like I am so stressed and like we're not even in these, like you're not even in the box. He's like what he's like you're not even like doing anything, like we're. I'm just walking you through this, we're about to do this like five more times and I was like I know. And then I was like I messed up the cones. Every single time he's like, he's like that way, this way. I'm like, oh my god, i messed up. Do I go back? He's like, no, just keep going. I Was like so stressed I was like that was horrible and then, like everyone else is so nice, like no, like it's okay, like you start somewhere, thank you.

Speaker 2:

Recovering like PTSD people.

Speaker 3:

We're just like love, what you're not judging me, what, yeah, like that's the thing is like I'm not like. I mean relationship trauma.

Speaker 1:

Obviously They're like I'm just saying like I even told them like we won't get into that, yeah, we won't get into that.

Speaker 3:

But it's like I don't like, i'm not just covering recovering from like Relationship trauma. I'm covered, i'm literally just recover recover from like work.

Speaker 1:

Like dog training, trauma Oh so bad.

Speaker 3:

I'm like even with Vic and Charlotte. He's like why are you freaking out? You're not even the one working your dog. He's like he's the one working my dog and I'm like stress watching the whole thing, like I feel like he's gonna yell at me, even though I'm not even though and holding See.

Speaker 1:

I have been like so bad. I was like so spoiled getting into the dog sport world because I didn't like I didn't know anybody. I was completely oblivious to like other dog trainers, what other dog trainers were doing. And then I got Minka and I started meeting other dog trainers and they know I would go up to North Carolina to do like bite work weekends with Yori, who is a helper that I had on my one of my previous episodes And I didn't really know how like spoiled I was. Yeah to like learn in that environment where it's like the bougie zip code. Literally like everybody was so nice. Nice, everybody was so nice. Like it was so casual, like it was fun, like I was like this is great, you know. And then like all I hear are these like Horror stories of people trying to join clubs and all of the drama, and like it's getting screamed at and like I'm like, oh Hell, no, there's no way.

Speaker 3:

Yeah it's terrible. I'm like just walking me through this routine, like would just memorize it. I'm like I don't know it. Like me watching it on like YouTube is not helpful. Yeah, i need to see it in person. And like four months, not a single time was I ever walked through that routine At all. I got back to Charlotte and like my good friend Addison, like just walked me through it. I'm like that's it. Show me this and then record it. Yeah, it's, it's. It's like it blows my mind that, like this is supposed to be like a community where, like you build each other up Like the whole entire time, you're getting torn down. Yep, it's insane. So it's like when you find this like Unicorn I'm not gonna call Chrissy unicorn, but you get really hyping him up, yeah, but it's like. It's like cuz, i've just been through so much in the last four years all these clubs, all these like Whatever you know and it's like coming here and I'm finding this and it's like that's all I've wanted for my dogs was to like I've always wanted to compete in something, but you never once have seen me do sport work At all, like they've done bite work, but they've done more like protection, bite work and all that other stuff. But that's because I could not find the club or I could not find a sport that like I felt like I could Do with my dogs, and I didn't want to do certain sports because of certain people in communities. You know, yeah, that I just don't support in general, so why would I join it?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know, you know you should have on here. I'm gonna work, but intended Nelson, oh. That way you have two decoys, cuz you know they get into it and they'll be able to discuss it That would be cool. Yeah, i'm down, he's another. Chris.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, like he was awesome.

Speaker 2:

It's so rejuvenating to be like like I'll be like. You know my dog. You just got to piss him off. He's like got it, but it's like that type of thing, you know it's like, and then it's gone to a point where I first came in I was like very neutral. It's like here's the dog I don't know, do help you know. But now it's coming to the point where I'll be like you know, what do I do to do this. They'll be like you know, do this and see how, how you, how he responds. You know your dog best. Yeah, when you come with that, you know you tell him X, y, z, you know they just do it until it doesn't make sense. You know like if you're bsing them, they'll pick it up real quick.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, exactly That's why, like they're like come work your dog, i'm like I don't know how he's like it's okay, we'll just start. We're just gonna start back to the basics and, like I can just tell from your dog, like yeah, Yeah exactly I'm like.

Speaker 1:

that's exactly what I need like nimbus and he like coaches through, like what he's doing.

Speaker 3:

It's so nice. Like nimbus, i have completely taken out of bite work for nine months now. That dog has like if he gets a bite, it's cuz I gave him a bite, but it's like a fun bite, so it's like it's nothing serious. I just want him to like do something. Yeah, and it's. But it's like I didn't know I have zero direction with this dog before I came down here. Like I was so lost in Charlotte because I was like what am I gonna do with these dogs? What am I gonna do with three freaking Malinois in my apartment? Like, what am I gonna do with these dogs? Like they can chill, you know, but I'm like they need to do something. I need to do something. I was so lost and then, like I saw the recommendation and I'm just like I called him up for someone else and I could are talking to him like huh, i'm gonna come check this out anyways, but it just like it ended up like working out. But it's like it is so hard to find Just places like this in general. Like it's insane, like how deep this stuff goes in this community.

Speaker 1:

All right, we have been chatting for a very long time very long time. So are there any like last little things that you want to add? Don't go to the facility.

Speaker 3:

Don't do it save your money.

Speaker 2:

Do it privately. Do your due diligence. Have a conversation with people. Look at what they're posting online Carbon fiber. No, even if you get like a small square, no, talk to the person and Have them like explain some of the basic stuff in terms of like hey, i have this dog. She came as a stray. How are you gonna rewire them? Just ask them. Treat it as like a resume at the other day. They're working for you, so treat it as that.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's what I mean. Even people who like say they I can't be in Charlotte right now, you know, but like they'll ask for trainer recommendations. I'm like here are five people right now that you can send your dog to that I would completely trust. They all have different prices. Go talk to every single one of them and see which one you like Vibed with the most, that you like their methods. Like you really do have to do your research and like go like Trip trainers that you follow, like me, you other people in general, like Reach out to them, send them a message and ask them for their recommendations of people that you personally trust on.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I recommend people all the time people all the time.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's insane. Like we know, like I, there are people that we do trust.

Speaker 1:

They are out there. They do exist. There's more unicorns, there are more there are more unicorns.

Speaker 2:

I've been hanging around with fucking pigs Just in the mud.

Speaker 3:

It's like I have people messing me from across the country. I'm like send me your location, i'll go do my research. I can find you a trainer.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you know it's possible. Well, with that being said, we're gonna hype up the everyday trainer a little bit here. So we have trainers in Orlando doing daily training and we will be starting in Charlotte very soon, and we also have trainers in Tampa. So if you're in Tampa, i know we're spreading, we're spreading in entire Cardone style South.

Speaker 2:

Florida needs help.

Speaker 1:

But if you're in any of those cities and you want to work with us, we'll be doing Lessons, our daily training, which we talk about all the time. So, yeah, i just have to kind of like plug my own business there, i guess, and, marcella, go ahead and let the people know where they can find you.

Speaker 3:

Oh, CLT mouth on tiktok and Instagram Charlotte mouth. By the way, charlotte mouth CLT. That is the abbreviation for Charlotte.

Speaker 2:

For Charlotte, nothing else you're gonna need, like O-town mouse, i need to. I never might have to change my name. Too many questions I don't know about the name.

Speaker 1:

You'll do you want to remain a mystery or do you want to tell the people where to find?

Speaker 2:

you do a mystery. You find me at the field training my That's where you'll find me Mouse.

Speaker 3:

Better run my dog after we were running our mouth.

Speaker 1:

I love it All right. Well, thank you both for joining me and having a really awesome and also really Long conversation on facilities. I know that so many people are going to appreciate this episode so much And hopefully we can save some people from going to these, you know, shitty places. Yep So thank you so much for being here. Thank you, thank you for listening. We will see you all next week. You.

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