The Everyday Trainer Podcast

You Can't Outwork Them: A Live Review of The Fight at Primal Canine

September 15, 2023 Meghan Dougherty
The Everyday Trainer Podcast
You Can't Outwork Them: A Live Review of The Fight at Primal Canine
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I made it to California and in this Episode, I sit down with Mike, Kris, and Neil of Primal Canine and we breakdown the success of Mike's event The Fight, what it's like following around the Primal Canine Pack, and what it takes to be one of the best in the game. Bonus- I took my first bite.

The Fight was one of the first seminars of it's kind, a combination of self-defense, jujitsu, and personal protection to empower dogs and their owners in navigating real-world, self-defense scenarios.

This is a special episode because we recorded it in front of a live audience made up of participants from the weekend's events. I have to give them a special thanks for making this episode and weekend an amazing experience.

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I'll be with you.

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She's also your wife, yeah. Sometimes, when she's not mad at me. I mean, that's the only for that.

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Speaker 1:

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Yeah, Are we doing this in usual?

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 3:

Jewish, I mean it's Wait can we record this.

Speaker 1:

You never drink in podcasts, man. It's bad.

Speaker 4:

I have a podcast called drinks and dogs. What?

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do you think my co-host is right there? I can hear you.

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You gotta talk into the mic. All we do.

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The music's gonna come in. I'll do our little intro we're gonna do it live.

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I'm gonna come in, I'll do our little intro and then we're going.

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Speaker 2:

Hello and welcome back to the A-B-E. Welcome back to the Everyday Trainer podcast. My name is Meg and I am a dog trainer. On today's episode I'm joined by Mike, chris and Neil. We just finished Mike's event, the Fight. I'm out in California at Primal Canine, so you know this is gonna be a good episode. You know the drill Grab yourself a tasty drink and meet us back here. Hey guys.

Speaker 3:

Hello, what's up?

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for doing this with me. It is a lot of setup, but it's gonna be good, so we first. First let's do some intros. So we're joined by Mike Jones. He was previously on an episode with me.

Speaker 3:

LFA.

Speaker 4:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Say hello.

Speaker 4:

Hello, it's a little more awkward because we have a bunch of people in front of us.

Speaker 2:

We have a live audience.

Speaker 1:

I've never done this with a live audience before. Yeah. You and you, and you and you and you and that dog A little bit nervous, but we took some shots of tequila, which. Here we go.

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Shocked me.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 2:

Mike's all right, tell us about your tequila.

Speaker 4:

So we've been working on this tequila with Margaret is to go for a little while. That started in the pandemic. When we started work with Margaret used to go and see pick up your goddamn feet for.

Speaker 2:

Scooting across the floor like it's like.

Speaker 4:

It's like a night in the shop on fire before you drink it so With the guy who actually provided the burritos for the fight workshop right for our lunch. Marco was like one of the like. I mean he's probably the only tequila condisaur like I've ever met in my life. We're like close to like a sous vide, like you know. I guess you beat is what I have no idea what that is.

Speaker 1:

Savita think it's like a way of cooking.

Speaker 4:

So we've been working on like three years of this of just branding this stuff, helping our marketers to go, and he really wanted to do a Tequila, so I'm helping with the branding and and bringing them out and he I mean he found Nice labels one place it's not white labeled, and what I mean by white labeled is meaning like you can buy, like an off-batch Patron, off-batch Cacodoras. He's actually finding an individual mixture of agave from Jalisco, mexico, and that's what we're drinking today.

Speaker 2:

I love it All right, cheers, cheers.

Speaker 4:

For the ninth time it wouldn't be the night time, I would not be here, all right.

Speaker 2:

All right. So, mike, we just finished your event. We've got Chris and Neil here. Some of your decoys. First things first. How do you think everything went?

Speaker 4:

I, I have my take on everything, but let's hear it from you first so first, after hey, I say a big thank you to Neil and Chris Corley for freaking. Thank you helping me out with this one.

Speaker 1:

Thank you.

Speaker 4:

Thank you. These are I. As most people who know me, I Slight, I mean.

Speaker 1:

I'm a control freak, your control freak.

Speaker 4:

And I have to make sure things are good. So for me to be able to trust somebody, it's in order to especially with a decoy, sir stuff and Putting people through routines and being able to like not be the decoy is a huge, huge thing to me. So they I would say this would be a big compliment to these two gentlemen right in front of me.

Speaker 4:

Oh yeah, I can actually leave them in a room and let them do the things. So I'm very, very proud of these guys. I'm very, very happy with these guys and I'm loving the Certification stuff that we've done and how we cultivated K-Nation League and I'm my streetly decoys can actually run the shop and no, they even push harder. I mean, even yesterday when we were doing like, when I was just like, oh, I kind of got a little bit burnt out mentally. I was like fuck. I was like I'm gonna get up. Sorry, I'm a dolphin noise. You can curse, we can curse here. Oh, I'm used to my guys. So I got run upstairs and, like you know, seeing like that stuff, like shit, I was like, alright, so I'm gonna go harder on this and they come back in here like Corley and Neil just doing, leaving the same type of shit that like I would say Mike juniors.

Speaker 4:

Yeah mini Mike's I was so happy, like it was, like I was, just like it was one of those things. Because you know, it's hard in the dog world to find loyalty, to find, yes, you know people who are ethically and morally in the same sense of like, wanting to go forward, wanting to keep pushing people and Create a better future and a better culture, and especially in, you know, in the dog sport world. It's it's very hard because that that world is very toxic and to see, I have people who are maintaining the standards, no matter what, and pushing people and, like you know, being it's not cutthroat but it's like it's very much like hey man, like you've got to go now yeah it's black and white.

Speaker 4:

It's just what it is like. You've got to keep going and I was very happy with it, so I have a huge appreciation for a nail in the Chris.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, you guys killed it, Thank you, thank you. You busted your asses this weekend, which is one of the things that I I noticed a lot. I've known about your business and known about like what you guys are doing out here for a while and I have to say, being here, I am even more impressed by what you've got, what you've created, the culture that you've created like you've got a hard working group of people.

Speaker 2:

I Mean, that's kind of like you know it like that's an understatement, like I'm gonna have to emphasize how crazy you guys all are, like there's a few screws loose for sure.

Speaker 4:

I mean, but I think it's, I think we're normal. Everyone else has a few screws loose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we're button up tight.

Speaker 3:

Life's about the journey, not being boring.

Speaker 4:

It is what it is. You know, like we've, and then this might be whatever, give me cancer, what may not, but like anything we've. We've gotten to a point in society where everyone is baby earmuffs, everyone's a bunch of pussies, everyone who wants to get, everyone wants to get out easy, everyone wants to the easy way out, everyone wants all that stuff. And what we're doing is we're saying like, hey, you know, it's not, that's not, that's not what the life is Like. It's hard work. You, if you want to get to the point you want to get into like you want to get harder, you want to get freaking to like. You know, successful, you have to work harder. There's no shortcuts and that's what I teach all my guys, no matter age range, size, whatever the hell it is. It's, it's hard work. Dedication hours are. Hours mean everything. Hard work means everything. You're not gonna do shit, like in the, in a age where everyone is get rich quick. You know, do this quick, do this quick, do this quick as a. No, it's hard work consistently, every single day.

Speaker 2:

You know and enjoy the suffering you are working dogs all day long. Yeah, like every day. Yeah all day long. You're here all the time.

Speaker 4:

I'm either here, I'm up there. Yeah and that's life.

Speaker 2:

There's not a lot of dog trainers out there that are like that. That are actually putting in the work Well I mean like anything.

Speaker 4:

You think about it like. I don't want to say I don't want to say unfortunately in that sense. But if you thinking about it this way, like pet dog trainers even, like you know for yourself, like you're still working, you drive all the way.

Speaker 2:

You drove I mean I'm crazy too, but that's why I want to recognize it in you guys.

Speaker 4:

But that's, that's life, you know, like seven days a week. Dogs don't know days off, dogs don't have weekends. Why? Why does the professional that should be training dogs have a weekend? Yeah, you structure yourself in that sense, but if you have dogs on hand and like you're training them all the time like there is no day off, oh, it's truly a 24-7 job and it's just you have to enjoy the suffering. You have to. I mean, I don't even say in suffering, it's an investment into your future. You have to enjoy that.

Speaker 2:

Well, it's just like anything. Like you know you work out. It's not easy. Like if you're working out hard it's so that you can be better. Like anytime you want to be better at something, you have to put in that hard work and like that little bit of suffering. Like nothing good is ever earned by you know doing nothing.

Speaker 4:

Well, yeah, I mean, like you know, that's, that's, that's essentially the way it is, but everyone else wants to make it like oh.

Speaker 2:

I know, but people don't think that way.

Speaker 4:

And that's why they'll never be successful.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, all right. So we just finished your event, the fight I had you on, you know, a couple weeks ago to talk a little bit about that. But how do you feel now that you've finished the event? I think everything was like this weekend was so cool and I think everybody in front of us can agree how awesome it was that you put all of this together.

Speaker 3:

I like this. I like the audience it has to be a consistent real time.

Speaker 1:

I like this.

Speaker 2:

I know right. So how do you feel now that you've finished it up?

Speaker 4:

I mean it's kind of weird.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

I didn't know my wife Erin. She always like she deals with me all the time. So I have like constant anxiety attacks in the morning before all, like every single day, because I'm always like worried about how like it's going to go. So I'm up like 3, 34 o'clock in the morning just like walking around, pacing around, doing push-ups, doing like weird stuff, because I'm just like I don't know how it's going to be, like whatever, because I just structure things out and I write it out and we do it because you never know. And it's something with this and the thing with the fight was different from every other workshop. It's never really been done before.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 4:

So like the combative aspect of it, if you look at it like most people think they send their dogs, what happens after you send your dog?

Speaker 2:

Right. So this is talking about, like, personal protection. For all of the people who don't really know what that is, yeah, which y'all would be surprised how many DMs that I got that people are like, why do you condone dog fighting? And I'm like, no, that's not really what this is. So you know, the whole event kind of revolved around personal protection, training dogs and personal protection, but also the self-defense aspect of it.

Speaker 4:

And that's the huge thing, like we worked that today right, yeah, we did a whole portion of that where it was deescalating with frauds you know frauds actually did the end-curch fraud shout out to him where he showed how to one, watch body language, two, raise your tone, facial expression, you know, deescalate the situation back out so we don't actually have to use the dog. So people would say like, oh, why are we condoning dog fighting? We're actually not. We're trying to decrease violence. We're just showing like, hey, don't do this, and if you do it, then one, we're not sending our dog in to just die, you know, for it, we're going to send the dog in and we're going to help the dog as well. And then let's say the dog's not there. We also show people how to defend themselves properly as well in the fight as well, like before.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, so like that was a huge thing and it was really cool to see everybody kind of adapt to it and see it, because I was really nervous about it. Like, yeah, it was me and Leopoldo were talking about it from Serral Academy. Shout out to my mentor, leopoldo, gustavo Lucas and Carlos and Yacenia and everybody like that. But our, yeah, it's been sorry, I'm a Brazilian name, but you know, it was one of those things where I was like shoot. I don't know if this is going to be while receiving to everybody, because it is physical, oh no everybody here has some like aggression issues Deep seated.

Speaker 3:

Oh, yeah, there was some shit released that one right there.

Speaker 1:

You can't see her off camera, but that's the issue, right?

Speaker 3:

there. This one made me see Jesus. Yeah, that one.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, everybody got into it, into it. I was so impressed, I was like damn.

Speaker 1:

There's videos on social media of people getting punched. That shouldn't get punched.

Speaker 3:

Punch kicked, everything I mean it was awesome yeah.

Speaker 2:

I don't know what you did to her, but why did I have to do anything?

Speaker 4:

No, I was very so when I set the structure up it was very loose structure because I wasn't. It wasn't necessarily too sure how it was going to work, because I know how it is like in Jiu-Jitsu gyms and nil you know to be the same thing. Like you know, we've been training for a long time and sometimes on people who aren't necessarily used to combative stuff or like being close and like that, and not necessarily mention the fact that we're doing this for a specific reason, with the human trafficking aspect of it and some people may have some PTC in that sense, some boundary issues. It was really cool to see people push through and enjoy and see people laughing in the rooms and that was the coolest thing to me, right? I'd love to be able to walk in the room and everyone's giggling and having a great time. Everyone was fucking throwing people on the floor and like punching people in the face, elbowing Chris in the face, kicking Nila in the head.

Speaker 4:

Like you know, it was like it was one of those things where I was just like damn, it was like it was really cool to see a witness and you know, watch it grow, because again we came up with this like out of nowhere. You know, it was one of those things where we were like, all right, I've been developing it for a little bit and then I was like, fucking, like, let's just roll a bone bang. Like actually, you know, we had the foundation stuff we're doing and it was cool to see it. So still processing it, yeah, I loved it. It's one of those things where you just like you like throw it up in the air and like, oh, let's see if this works. And then it works. You're like now we're in front of a bunch of people doing the podcast.

Speaker 2:

And that's another thing that's really cool is you just bringing all of these people together, right, like you bring all of these strangers together and by the end, like everybody's friends, you know. And that's really what it's about. And I think sometimes in the dog industry it can be a bit clicky and I have to say I really, really respect the culture that you've created here.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I mean, that's, that's the whole thing you know with Primal Canine. That's why it says pack life only on my shirt. You know it's. We're a crew. You know we're packed. We're all together, we support each other. No one talks bad about each other. We build each other up. Yeah, we're going to be hard on people, like, when it comes to like you need to get better, let's go, let's fucking, let's do this thing. But in the end of the day, it's like you know we have one internal goal. It's like you know let's build our culture, build a positive culture, let's work together. You know, let's keep growing and get better and everything like that. And, like you know, sometimes tough love is the way to go. But like, sometimes you know we also the same thing. Like you know, I'm not a saw. I almost say I'm soft, but like you know, I'll be.

Speaker 2:

I don't think you're soft, not.

Speaker 4:

That new tele trainer, coach Carlos.

Speaker 2:

Um, okay, can we talk about your decoy, sir?

Speaker 4:

That wasn't even a decoy, sir.

Speaker 2:

The hazing.

Speaker 4:

That was a warmup.

Speaker 1:

That was a warmup. That was a partial certification.

Speaker 2:

So you've been through.

Speaker 1:

I've been through every subsequent cert, almost no no, you've been to everyone.

Speaker 4:

You've been to all pro camps and all decoys.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so it's. It's the tempo with Mike is consistent enough and it's not like we're like holding hands at the end of the day For those who are attending. Like Mike will give you the tools and the understanding and the clarity, and he's going to see what you're going to do with those, with those elements of the training, right? So are you a self starter? You know, can, can you motivate people around you? Right, you're, we're not going to cheer you on.

Speaker 2:

Well, not even just that, but just physically how far you push your people. I'm gonna say I'm for real, like when my trainers gets assy with me. I'm gonna threaten to send them here to you.

Speaker 4:

Well, I mean, that's honestly what we do.

Speaker 2:

I'm sending you to Mike.

Speaker 1:

I'm going to.

Speaker 4:

California. My warm up should be a specific standard. It should be a specific standard for all of it, because it's not about the push ups, it's not about the sit ups, not about the squats, it's not about running, it's not about dogs, it's not about the dogs. It's about what you're doing up upstairs.

Speaker 2:

Oh right.

Speaker 4:

You know, and that's you thinking about it. Because, like you know, in dog training everyone goes through a burnout period. Right, it's learning how to deal with that burnout period. And because at the exit, seven days a week, You're pushing yourself consistently, you're pushing your thresholds consistently. People always ask me, like Mike, why are you running Like if I didn't have a?

Speaker 1:

bath every morning and on the phone with me at six am.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I'm talking to Coralie at three o'clock my time, six his time, and I'm running or fucking do something other stupid and crazy that I shouldn't be doing, but I'm doing it. It's not because I want to be physically actively. In that sense I'm not trying to be like Mr Marathon runner. It's more of like I need to test my mental capacity because I have so many things I have to do Right and like. That's where, like you have to test the boundaries, because if you always run to softness, then you're always going to run to softness.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

You're always going to run to comfort, but in our industry and if you want to be successful, there's going to be point blank period, like whatever it is, unless you're doing those stupid two week board and train things where you just fry and dip on the dogs.

Speaker 1:

Turn and burn.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, turn and burn them. Then, like you know, yeah it is, it is a successful business model. That's great. But is it best for the dog? Is it best for the handler? No, Is it, you know, best for the relationship? Not, absolutely not. So like you have to like get through it and you have to keep pushing and like. That's kind of like I'm not necessarily trying to build great decoys, I'm not trying to necessarily build good dog trainers, it's just bettering people.

Speaker 2:

And you try to talk into the mic. Yeah, right here. Yeah, you're drifting, you're drifting, You're talking into the back, swip it around, there you go, shit Sorry.

Speaker 1:

He's a dog trainer, not a rocket scientist.

Speaker 4:

Well, you think that I would be better at it by the end of the day. I would be better at it by now, with all of it.

Speaker 1:

You have your own podcast drinks and bags.

Speaker 4:

Jesus, I've been in one. It's set up by G and then, yeah, but, like I said, you know it's what I do when it comes to the decor certifications, when it comes to the stuff that I put my guys through and, like you know, even like talking to Corley, like it's about building a better culture while building a better work ethic and it's, you know, if we can all do the same thing together and we can all build together and we can all do this together, like you know, we're stronger together, yeah, which is just one person doing a bunch of shit.

Speaker 2:

And I think one thing too is nobody's outworking you.

Speaker 4:

Never.

Speaker 1:

No.

Speaker 2:

You're working harder than anybody else. You know, it's one thing to be like the owner of a business and you know kind of like pass everything on to your employees, but like you are putting in the work.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I'll never.

Speaker 2:

You're catching dogs all day long, like you're literally in a suit all day long working.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I'll never let anyone outwork me.

Speaker 1:

He's the conductor of the train Right, and I think that's so important in like the culture right.

Speaker 2:

Because, like your people are never going to outwork you, like there's literally no way and that's so valuable, because not very many people are like in that position.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, and I want to clarify this it's not a, it's not an ego thing for me. It's not like I'm trying to be like, oh, I'm the big bad tough guy type of.

Speaker 3:

Thing.

Speaker 4:

It's more of in the sense of like there's a, you know the lead by example. Exactly you know, like dude I mean, I'd much rather be holding my baby over here. You know freaking.

Speaker 1:

We know you get cuddled by her. You know like. You know, like my, my little spoon.

Speaker 2:

We know your little spoon, let's be real.

Speaker 3:

I would.

Speaker 4:

I would 100% rather be with my fuck my family, like you know what you know, my you know wife and my daughter, like you know being like in my family. They just curled up with those guys but then you know, like it's. It's something like I I've I felt this years ago in our society and in the dog culture where it was like say it, do as I say, not as I do, and like for me, like that doesn't work.

Speaker 1:

Do as I do.

Speaker 4:

It's it's it's more like hey, I'm going to show you the way, oh, and I'm going to continuously push the way and, like you know, I'm as I as we grow and we go harder, like I'm not. I'm not working harder because I wanted to. I'm the tough guy I was like I want to. Like, hey, man, this is the way to go. I'm going to give you the cheat codes as I go. I'll be the first to the brush. Yeah, just follow the lead.

Speaker 1:

You can't have that many tattoos and it will not be.

Speaker 4:

And we can go together you know like, and it is what it is Like and people think. People always think is when the age of social media, where they see all the highlight reels and see all this stuff with that like it's not real life? You guys got witness to real life, you know like no glam cam here In Brace the. Suck In Brace, the Suck, we go, they are going harder than you could ever imagine.

Speaker 2:

Truly, truly.

Speaker 4:

And we're just the age where it should be. You know we were. We're restructuring the culture. We're putting something forward. We're putting a positive attitude to it. It's not like hey, like you know, whatever we're, you know big bad guys like we're not. Like no, this is what work looks like. Yeah, nothing comes easy.

Speaker 1:

Like this is what we're doing Hop on and hang on or jump off and see that.

Speaker 2:

So you guys have finished your decoy cert. You've been through it.

Speaker 1:

A lot of times Fun times.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, explain, explain that process. I'm going to taste of it yesterday. Can I talk about yesterday?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, run it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so do you want to? How do you want to do this?

Speaker 2:

Um all right, so who'd we? Who'd we have running everything? Yesterday, farouk was part of there, one of your other trainers in the certification.

Speaker 1:

Oh yes, it is just the hazing. That was a warmup, that was the warmup.

Speaker 4:

That wasn't even I'm going to call hazing. I'll show you, mike.

Speaker 1:

Mike has. I don't know if we can show that actually I would say I would. And then these guys you know that's a subscribing fee, that you have to be present.

Speaker 4:

I would say that was a level two out of a little what would be 10. Yeah, I would say that was two.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Someone passed out.

Speaker 1:

Listen, we consistently keep mustard on hand.

Speaker 3:

My wife actually thought someone died. Yeah, we brought him back to life. He saw Jesus.

Speaker 4:

I mean at that point it's not our fault, it's more of their own faults for not being prepared.

Speaker 2:

All right. So basically, you put everybody in suits and you make them run and do pushups, situps, situps, squats and squats.

Speaker 1:

And then when you're nice and burned, then the dogs come out, and then the dogs come out and then you do everything with dogs.

Speaker 2:

Right, so this was just warm up. I can't even imagine what the decoy sir like weekend is like.

Speaker 1:

So usually. So what, how Mike runs it is it will get in town and it's usually two or three days, so like we'll come in prior to the deep, like the, the pro camp weekend, and when that happens is as you float in. He's like get in the suit, get in the suit, get in the suit, and then we're running, and we're running some more, and then we're running, and then we're tired of running, we're more, we're doing more running, and then, when you're good and tired and burn out, they start bringing these dogs out and the expectation is that you're still going to get the same intensity and then at some point in time and Chris Sykes said it, it's no longer about the dog and it's about the voice in your head that you have to shut up and silence and just find your happy place. Nope, right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, y'all are crazy, we're running clock that we never know the time or when it's going to end, or when the alarm's going to go off, right?

Speaker 3:

So it's now. We mess with Mike as more time yeah, oh yeah, I watched for it.

Speaker 2:

I went out, you were standing up there overseeing your kingdom and I don't know somebody mouthed off and got some more. Got some more like burpees and squats.

Speaker 3:

Somebody called me an old man.

Speaker 4:

So what I look for is I'll peek it so like basically what it does is like you watch it right. I call it false hope. You know you do something where like because I mean you alleviate the pressure. Yeah, I mean when you're working dogs. I mean like for all, for all the who saw me work dogs yesterday or even like today, like we'll do all the dogs that you go through. Every dog has to be worked consistently. It has to be the same consistent value from dog one to dog 40.

Speaker 4:

Whatever the fuck it is, whatever it may be. So you have to have that. But you also have the mental fortitude, no matter if the dog can be thinking about this way. If you have a dog biting the suit, not all dogs are gonna bite perfectly. Not all dogs are gonna, you know, crunch into your bicep. Not all dogs are gonna crush into your tricep. Not all dogs are gonna, you know, push, they're gonna pull. It's gonna be annoying, it's gonna be tiring, you're gonna wear a bunch of things. They'll bite you in the boot like Neil got bit today.

Speaker 4:

Nipple.

Speaker 3:

Nipple, give me a chest bite.

Speaker 4:

I mean, you know, man boobies.

Speaker 3:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You know the same bitch type mom.

Speaker 1:

Don't want to shout out to Izzy.

Speaker 4:

No, but I mean like a lot of it is making sure that the you're not necessarily, I mean physically. I firmly believe and Veronica proved this point to me today I firmly believe if you're mentally in the right spot and you don't have that bitch in you, you can keep going Like 100%, like I mean like, for example, like you know, like obviously anyone who sees me like I can run a half marathon every goddamn day. I can run an ultra every single Wednesday. I can work dogs seven days a week.

Speaker 1:

We're not from this plan.

Speaker 4:

I'm not over here for looking like Mr Olympia. Like you know, I just look like a big ass goon from.

Speaker 1:

D Goodyear, d Goodyear.

Speaker 4:

You know, and in reality it's a mental state, you know, like I don't give a shit about no aesthetics with it, but what I care about is the mental aspect of it, right, like that's why I said earlier today, I was like it doesn't matter if you stop. If you stop like, whatever, who cares? If you feel horrible, you can feel horrible while moving, you're still feeling horrible.

Speaker 2:

Just keep going.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, Like it's one step after the other, one motion there, like we said push up. So it's not a push up. You bend your elbows, you straighten your elbows.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

You squat, you bend your knees, you straighten your knees, you sit up, you just sit up. You sit up, like that's it. It's not about doing anything else other than that. You just make it harder than what it is, because it's a mental thing and like that's like the weakness of the culture that we did and that's what I'm trying to stop.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I think you're doing a really good job. You're creating some very mentally strong people this one right here, yeah.

Speaker 3:

I literally told her I'm like you're putting a suit on. She's like what she did. It though she did it.

Speaker 2:

All right, Neil, you've been quiet, but you're probably one of the crazier ones sitting on this couch. You were sprinting around these people yesterday.

Speaker 3:

I hate running. You know that. What I tell you, mike, every time, always. What's running Runnings for who?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I'm not gonna say it because I'm not trying to get camped in.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's fight or flight. I don't flight.

Speaker 2:

Alright, so you are like very athletic.

Speaker 3:

My wife doesn't think so.

Speaker 2:

I don't know. I was very impressed you are out running all of these people like slightly torturing them yesterday, while they are running around in the suit Bullying them and tackling them.

Speaker 3:

Yes, so for me it was more my mentality. I hate running. He knows that. So I was pushing myself. I'm pushing myself. It should be easier for you. I literally hate running. So to me it's a mental thing for me. At the end I remember we gave him 100 of everything.

Speaker 1:

I did it with him.

Speaker 3:

I was telling people we were doing it. Don't think of 100 as the angle. Think of 10 at a time, 25 at a time. Break it up into chunks. That's how you get through it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

It's your mentality.

Speaker 2:

How long have you been decoying for?

Speaker 3:

About three years. I actually started right before I met Mike at the San Diego trial. I started not too long before that. I remember watching his YouTube videos. I was like, oh, this dude, it's pretty cool, I got hooked.

Speaker 2:

It definitely takes a special type of person to be able to do this, so I took my first bite. That was awesome.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, let's not forget about that. You got in a bite suit and you got a bite from the Shaolin Shin Shredder himself. Do this.

Speaker 3:

If you saw our shirt a couple months ago, how was that bite?

Speaker 1:

Remember we were fresh out the box. Felix comes down here and Mike says you don't need no gauntlets.

Speaker 2:

Got a comp suit no gauntlets. I had no material underneath. That's what he was trying to do to me.

Speaker 1:

There's no additional.

Speaker 2:

He's like go put the pants on.

Speaker 1:

I have a pair of Wrangler jeans that's just labeled ALM and a suit jacket that's a jean jacket.

Speaker 3:

I wouldn't wear that today.

Speaker 1:

I'm telling you but it's Mike develops these dogs and the intensity that they provide in the bite really lets you value the correct build and structure and intensity and enthusiasm and development that you get out of a dog. It's with any profession you find your groove and then you get in it. And when you're sparring against somebody, when you're involving yourself with somebody and it just seems effortless, then that's where the art happens. Right now you can start getting fancy and go to your happy place. For me and Neil, it's like when we get a good dog on a bite oh man, it's love, it's love, it's a dance.

Speaker 1:

It's an ambiance, but the certifications, like what Neil was touching on previously, it's a whole weekend of just like if you let the self doubt leak in.

Speaker 4:

It's mental warfare.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

It's not about anything but mentality.

Speaker 1:

It's all about you and what are you going to do Again? We're not hand holding. You're always under observation, on and off the field, even when we sit and break bread, always looking but.

Speaker 2:

I think that's so huge because the people who are here want to be here.

Speaker 1:

The ones that don't want to be here, the people who are working with you.

Speaker 2:

They want it. They want it bad. I think that's something like. I talk to a bunch of different dog traders, a bunch of different dog training businesses, and one thing that people really struggle with is maintaining good employees and trainers and making people want to be there. That's hard. That's a hard thing to do to motivate people to want to work, to want to be there, and that's what you've done. It's crazy because you're pushing these people so far, so far. Anybody would watch what you guys have done this weekend and be like, oh fuck, no.

Speaker 1:

I don't want to do that. He rips the band-aid off. There's no subtle entry or danger, right?

Speaker 2:

But look at the respect that you have from all of this community, that you've built your business, that you've built the decoys that you've built. That is because you are pushing people in the best way possible.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, oh yeah. What you saw this weekend is kind of like a cakewalk compared to what I normally would have. I know.

Speaker 1:

I'm crazy. I wish our certifications weren't like that. I mean nothing against today. We modified what we could because there was a lot of moving parts involved.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, time constraints. I mean, like I said it is, I said Kenneth Street League, primal Canine, canine University. Everything that we're doing is creating a new standard as what it should be, because we've softened up. So I mean, that's kind of the thing, the lead by example. You push, we keep, we crush these guys.

Speaker 4:

I have these dudes freaking out here Like I was super happy with these dudes like running, like the dudes, like people out here yesterday like all this stuff with that smiling and everyone looking at me like I'm a psychopath. They guys like dudes are passed out.

Speaker 1:

We're good, we're good.

Speaker 2:

You literally like pick them up like limp bodies.

Speaker 3:

Let's go.

Speaker 2:

Come on, get up, let's go.

Speaker 4:

I think the thing about it. Like you know, I'm 39 years old.

Speaker 4:

When I was in my early 20s, even earlier like when I started I'm talking about I mean like I'm older, you know, whatever I'm, solid work, everybody's all good. You know it is what it is Like I was. I got no mercy when I was that young, you know, even like old school Jiu-Jitsu and Neil knows about how that, how that was sharp tank with Leopoldo. Like Leopoldo Sorrel like went back to the Sorrel Academy and when we were at Fairtex you got no. Like it didn't matter like how tired you were, it didn't matter like that, it mattered about how much you wanted to be successful and what you were doing. And that ingrained a huge thing in me. And you know, coming from where I came from the lifestyle and back story that I have, I was like all right, cool, like all right, I know, if you can grind, you can get somewhere. And for me it's not about. It's not about like making people grind to grind, it's making people grind to be successful.

Speaker 2:

Right, there's a purpose. There's a purpose. I actually see it.

Speaker 4:

It's just about making people better. You know, because everyone looks for especially now with social media and everything like that, like everyone wants that shortcut. You know it's not. There's no shortcut.

Speaker 1:

Not here.

Speaker 4:

I mean, think about it right now. I mean, even you make you drove down here. We've been here for two days. We've literally stayed almost 16, 14 hours, nearly being a core league. We've been here. Now we're doing a fucking podcast. Look at Dengie and just I stink like a shite.

Speaker 1:

I can smell you from here.

Speaker 4:

I look like a fucking NASCAR car with all the logos on.

Speaker 1:

The viewers are going to be able to smell us from the camera. I stink Scratches.

Speaker 2:

I got. I got here Friday around like four o'clock and you guys were working dogs until we were already working.

Speaker 1:

What 1111. Yeah, 11.

Speaker 2:

I slept out in the parking lot. Wake up, you get here at like. Frugue was here at like 730. You got here like doesn't sleep 8, 830. And then, what time did you leave last night?

Speaker 4:

I don't even know Like after 1030 11. Well, what time did you get here, neil? When I got, when I came back? Yeah, after dinner, it was right 10-05. Also shout out to Neil Ontario for their anniversary.

Speaker 3:

How many years, is it now? It's your anniversary today. Yeah, 18 years today. I'm thankful she's patient. Hey, hell, yeah, shout out to.

Speaker 4:

Terry over there.

Speaker 1:

He's sleeping on the couch. You got to deal with fucking.

Speaker 4:

Neil, jesus Christ, I'm going to give you a goddamn medal. I'll create a medal. It's like dealing with Neil for 18 years. I like that, I like that, I like that, I like that, I like that, I like that.

Speaker 1:

I like that, I like that.

Speaker 3:

Deal with.

Speaker 4:

Neil. Neil's going to get his own medal.

Speaker 3:

There you go, Deal with Neil, Deal with Neil. But yeah, actually I want to give a shout out to your clients and the people that came because you talk about building the community, the mentality, the people. You had to show up. I thought they were going to quit and they kept going Like we had. Lisa Sue.

Speaker 2:

Still here. Oh yeah, this is a hard working group of people, even destiny.

Speaker 3:

Everyone, like I, was just shocked. I'm like some of these ladies won't be able to make it. And they did it, they crushed it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it just made their weekend so much better it made me smile.

Speaker 3:

I mean, I saw Jesus a couple of times, thanks to Lisa over here.

Speaker 1:

She had some pence up frustration, she bet my pinky.

Speaker 3:

She literally was like prison rules and bet my pinky.

Speaker 1:

I was like oh okay, it's on Pink compliance Prison rules Pink compliance.

Speaker 4:

Gustavo and Leopoldo, they both fooled me inside. They're like hey, your people got a lot of anger inside of you.

Speaker 1:

He's like that's what I'm like.

Speaker 2:

Y'all were really getting in on the scenarios.

Speaker 4:

For Leopoldo. I've known Leopoldo for a long time.

Speaker 1:

For him to tell you that.

Speaker 4:

And for him to pull me aside and be like hey, you guys are crazy, they're a little crazy. And like with this fucking unibrow, like when it just like one brow goes up and he's like, hey, they're a little crazy, I'm like I started laughing because it's not like, really like for him to say that was a big thing. So big compliment to you guys as well. We have a live audience.

Speaker 2:

We like, we like the crazy.

Speaker 1:

You can see, if you follow the social media throughout this weekend, you can see some still shots or live action video of, like Leopoldo and all them from the from the academy, from your jiu-jitsu academy. Like stand at all and how somebody intensely would have their mouth is like this because we're getting wrecked. There's plenty of times me and Neil took a header.

Speaker 2:

Well, I always talk about, like you know, I work with a lot of pet dogs and people really mirror their dogs Like people are their dogs.

Speaker 3:

I don't know what that says about all you guys.

Speaker 4:

I mean, I can see it right away.

Speaker 1:

Every bit of wafer is every bit of her hand.

Speaker 4:

I'm gonna say he was a lot calmer when he was with me.

Speaker 1:

I'm just saying yeah.

Speaker 2:

Macho.

Speaker 4:

Wafer now. That's wafer now.

Speaker 2:

I love that you changed his name to wafer. You know what's funny is? Macho is actually the reason why I got my mouth, because I watch those videos.

Speaker 1:

Raising Macho yeah.

Speaker 2:

And I was like I need one.

Speaker 3:

I like your mouth. She's a baby, she's just like my average. Yeah, my girl, yeah.

Speaker 2:

She's like a soft little golden retriever of a melon wall.

Speaker 3:

It's like our other girl, riley.

Speaker 1:

Chris knows, chris knows that's what we're building. We're building, we're getting there Build engine.

Speaker 2:

She'll be a scary dog. Yeah, it's because I'm soft, so of course my melon wall is like ooh.

Speaker 1:

Oh, nutella Turner, I'm not anymore. You took a bye-bye picture.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, what is that? What is that?

Speaker 4:

I'm from Carlos from Sorral Academy. He wrote on there, it's like because we so preparing for the fight, we were meeting every Thursday 11.30 till whatever we had to to get all the sequences and I was literally just me getting my ass kicked by a bunch of my training partners and my wife, just another yeah.

Speaker 4:

So you just get that. And so like the last one is like no soft trainers here, because like it was like literally out I'm like an hour and a half in the suit, so he's like no Nutella trainers and the it's more of like a, for him is basically saying like no pussies here. You know, like. But because he's from Brazil and see sports, he's like no, nutella trainers.

Speaker 4:

I'm like. I was like they don't know it, Because he also put ass coach Instead of assisting. Seriously, she's not that. Nutella trainers, I'm going to start using that. I like that.

Speaker 3:

No sweet, no soft trainers.

Speaker 4:

You know, there you go. That's pretty much what it is.

Speaker 2:

I'm bringing my people out here. They're going through. Listen, yeah, the primal or I'm sitting like fucking, do this shit with them.

Speaker 1:

I.

Speaker 2:

Marcello, one of my trainers. I sent her like a video of like one person passed out. You like drag?

Speaker 1:

I was like you're coming here.

Speaker 3:

He's like keep it in your mouth.

Speaker 2:

You're like throwing up mustard out there like gagging. What is with the mustard?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, please explain it to the audience. What's with the mustard?

Speaker 3:

Little secret. I mean at our camp a lot of guys are getting cramps. So my buddy said, tell us like oh my God, I'm cramping up like try some mustard. What that's disgusting it's a Jiu Jitsu thing?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, it helps yeah.

Speaker 3:

So we always carry you did.

Speaker 1:

He wasn't even alive.

Speaker 3:

I don't know if you've seen the video that Christian got, but it literally proves like this is awesome.

Speaker 1:

We can have more live audiences. No, we don't. No, we don't.

Speaker 3:

This is my first podcast and I got live crew.

Speaker 2:

I know we're really throwing you in the deep end. I am popping, popping.

Speaker 4:

At this point I'm like I'm looking for Are we good books? Am I still being appropriate?

Speaker 2:

Yes, I love her.

Speaker 1:

I love her dad. Stop talking to me.

Speaker 2:

But yeah, you set up a really awesome event this weekend. Fucking killed it. This was like one of I've been to you know a few seminars and this is by far my favorite.

Speaker 3:

Same here. Yeah, this is the standard. Like you like yeah.

Speaker 4:

I mean it's, it's like. You know, for me it's. I don't really see things as like I look at what people do and like, oh that's awesome, that's great. Well, like, I think there's always room for improvement, Even that's enough that I do. Like anything that we accomplish, I always think there's something better to do. So it's always looking at the next level Like I was talking to frauds earlier. When we come to developing more with the fight stuff that we're doing and building the shoot house in there, I mean there's it's always about developing, getting better, looking at breaking down.

Speaker 4:

I mean you know being shoot. I want to have, you know, with the K and S, really steam in the trials, like that I was like dying, like one of my dogs passed away, like you know, during like the second trial and like KD came to my house and I'm like ask Katie, the first thing it was like hey, rip this apart, see what it is and then can consistently building. So anything that we do it's really about like constant improvement, constant progression, constant getting better, because you know there is no like well, everything that we do is like it's just get better, like snowball effect.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean, you can only get better.

Speaker 4:

You think you're at the best right now. You're not because you're never going to be the best.

Speaker 2:

So on that, note what's what's next.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's a good question. Let's, let's break down.

Speaker 2:

I know you got lots of projects going.

Speaker 4:

So I mean the purpose of the fight really in the beginning was to teach people how to one defend themselves with their dog, because a lot of times people just see, send the dog out, dog bites, all happens after that. So teach that. So I joined up with Leopoldo and other them to show people how to defend themselves. But the purpose of the actual workshop is to donate money to Glory House Miami so we can help survivors or human trafficking get dogs in to help some of the survivors out, protect them and just continuously move that forward. And that's the same thing with Canada and Shreely. Canada and Shreely is about now. Every region we go to, we donate to the region that we're in for the troubled youth Because it really to me it's a big, it's a strong point for me because I was a troubled youth and dog saved my life. That's why I came from the hood and I don't say I should probably still be in prison. Like you know, they're doing what it is.

Speaker 4:

But now we're here, I'm on the podcast with you guys. We have this. We've got a bunch of people in front of us. We, millions of people follow our stuff, do what the stuff that we're doing and we're creating a positive vibe, we're creating a better culture and I want to help kids out. And then also now with Billy from Miami Tattoo Combat. I don't know where he's at, he's over here somewhere. Where's the little guy? There he goes, the little guy, you know, like you know, and he brought up the human trafficking thing.

Speaker 4:

So, like, I'm all about helping people out, I'm all about creating a better future and I'm all about changing. You know what the world looks like. So, like now, if we can do that with Canada and Shreely, we can do that with the fight, we can help survivors out, we can put more awareness to human trafficking, we can put all these things and we can just create, you know, a better culture with it. But I'm, you know, there's a reason why I have a shirt. I don't know, I'm wearing a shirt, but I have a shirt that says Carpe Omnia, which means take everything. I don't mean take everything in the sense of the selfish need, take everything for myself. I mean take everything to make things better. So that's what Carpe Omnia means and like. So, for what's next for me is take everything, yeah.

Speaker 2:

I love that. Well, I am very impressed by everything that you've got going on here. I was impressed before I came out here and I got to say I'm completely blown away by you. Know what you've created, what you and Erin have built here, all of these people that you've brought together. It's very, very impressive and I genuinely can't wait to see what you've got next.

Speaker 4:

So I got to ask you this question Is it online? Does it meet the expectation as far as only seeing a person?

Speaker 2:

I think it's exceeded.

Speaker 1:

Nice. Yeah, I'm going to not sleep tonight.

Speaker 3:

I got a question for Mike, though I exceeded. What do you got? How do you say my last name? Yeah?

Speaker 4:

God damn it.

Speaker 3:

Now, you just lost brownie points.

Speaker 4:

Give me the last name, terry, help me out.

Speaker 3:

Snorstrom. What rhymes with Nordstrom, like the store Snorstrom.

Speaker 1:

Snorstrom.

Speaker 3:

Snorstrom. How about Soder Soderstrom?

Speaker 4:

Boom, soderstrom.

Speaker 3:

Did.

Speaker 4:

I get it. Oh yeah, nice Dude your last name is my least favorite. Out of all the last names. Out of all the last names, Easiest.

Speaker 1:

Your last name. Is he purpose? You just call him Neil.

Speaker 4:

I don't know, maybe I'm just lexic or autistic or slightly special.

Speaker 3:

On your podcast. My wife or I were driving somewhere and we were listening and we were like what Name?

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, he fucked up your name.

Speaker 1:

I was like who's that? Who's this other Neil that he has?

Speaker 4:

That's like Soder. Sorry, neil. I'm sorry, I can't pronounce it. It's just one of those words.

Speaker 3:

It's gonna be like Mike who.

Speaker 4:

It's just like Mike Jones. Yeah, the rapper ruined all my life. Now I can't go anywhere with like who I'm like.

Speaker 2:

Mike Jones, not the rapper.

Speaker 1:

Mike played. You played into it because you have a suit top with the big.

Speaker 4:

I did not. Who did that? That was Matt Wilson. Oh, matt Wilson, I did not want that whatsoever.

Speaker 1:

That was an extra that he added on your suit.

Speaker 4:

I did not want that at all, but actually I avoid. I say Michael.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Michael Jones.

Speaker 4:

I got tired of that because it was literally. I have to say Mike. What's their last name? Jones, like who I'm like, I'm not that I used to have my brother in law.

Speaker 3:

His Instagram is Mike Jones too, but he's like dude, that guy's name is not Mike Jones. I'm like, yeah, it is.

Speaker 4:

I'm just fucking taking my last name from me. Jesus fucking Christ, I'll make my own Look.

Speaker 1:

Okay, sitting away, mike Primal.

Speaker 4:

Spicy All right. Don't say who they get punched. Mike, you kicked in the dick Again. What are the other generals? I don't know what you guys are doing Him, hers, theirs. Whatever it is, whatever you got underneath your counter carries, it might get hit. Yeah, I think it's the next one.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, what's up with that? I mean, I love this workshop, yeah, yeah, when's the next one? Procant.

Speaker 3:

Kijitsu and bites Procant.

Speaker 4:

I do have some things in the works.

Speaker 2:

Spill the tea.

Speaker 4:

No, no, I'm going to let. I have a couple things in the works I have stuff in the works.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, there's things in the works we have. Well, right now my shift is going to Street League. We got done with the fight. We had trials. We had to go to Tom's place in New York. We have to trial this year. I get my decoys going for that. I have to do another pro camp and then I'll revisit South America. Yeah, then we got to go to. We go international again with Mexico City and then Europe and all that stuff over there. So there's a lot on, there's a lot on the plate, but yeah, there's a lot of things. So Subscribe.

Speaker 1:

Like comment subscribe. Follow the journey.

Speaker 2:

Follow the journey.

Speaker 1:

Follow the journey, get on board Subscribe.

Speaker 4:

I mean, there's not too many more things that I can like, like we can do. We can talk for this for like hours on and you know, we, we, we haven't even have shows that we're doing with Katie Matthews, with Aaron and Archer, with Bob Owens, with Matt Wilson, we have a. I mean there's a reason why I'm up at three o'clock in the morning. It's just because a lot of stuff that we're doing on that stuff. So there there is a lot of things happening and, yeah, just follow the journey, follow the journey.

Speaker 2:

I love it. I can't wait, Neil Chris.

Speaker 1:

Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for sitting here with me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we just. You know, we're just seasoning in this podcast. Mike and you had a big conversation, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Mike, again, thank you so much for being here and putting all of this together and hosting me and all of us. Thank you, guys for all being here. We gotta, we gotta, give Mike a round of applause. No.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, thank you. Thank you for everything that you've done. This is amazing.

Speaker 3:

I'm very impressed. We got one more, all right.

Speaker 2:

We will see you all next week. Thank you so much for listening and, yeah, see you soon.

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